While doing the restore I took the opportunity to clean out a lot of 
cruft that had built up over the years (mostly in temp dirs or 
out-of-the way places that aren't referred to by any of the site code).

One location I did keep (at least for now), even though it's not 
referenced anywhere I can find, is http://www.povray.org/nostalgia/. It 
looks like I copied those files to the server sometime in 2006 but I 
can't remember why and there don't seem to be any links to it out there 
(tried google's inurl: search and also the wayback machine).

I won't link into the main site as it appears I just dropped them there 
for someone as it's just a bunch of images. But the nostalgia is strong 
with these ones as any old-timers will know, so I'll hold off nuking it 
for now :)

-- Chris

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On 3/21/21 12:26 AM, Cousin Ricky wrote:
> On 2021-03-20 6:46 PM (-4), Chris Cason wrote:
>> On 21/03/2021 08:40, Mike Horvath wrote:
>>> Sorry if this is mentioned already, but in Thunderbird I am sometimes 
>>> getting the wrong messages with the wrong thread titles. Maybe it's a 
>>> database issue?
>> The NNTP server doesn't use a database per se; it's a monolithic app 
>> that stores the articles in its own format.
>>
>> It's possible something has gone awry in its indexing of the articles. 
>> I'll take a look and see if I can find a way to re-generate the XOVER 
>> files.
> 
> I submitted an article to povray.binaries.images Thursday night, but I 

> 

try re-downloading the headers... i saw the same issue couple of days 
ago when news 1st came back online. that all i had to do

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Chris,

Thank you for doing all of the work to get the system back up and 
running again.    I'm sure it's an undertaking on a scale that most of 
us can't fully appreciate.

I know that you are busy getting everything re-installed, etc.   But I 
was wondering if there will be any upgrades/changes to the way the 
newsgroups work.   I know that a lot of us would like to be able to 
include attachments in ANY of the newsgroups.

Perhaps having some more decentralization would be good, if at all 
possible.  I know that Mike Williams' site has been down for a while. 
I backed that up and created a PDF and a zip file of all of his sources. 
  I have all of Friedrich Lohmueller's excellent work as well.
Perhaps we could have some dedicated space on the new server for that 
material, and maybe mull over a mechanism by which the core POV-Ray 
material (source, binaries, documentation) could have backups hosted on 
one or more other sites.

Again, thank you for doing what I'm sure is a LOT of highly focused, 
specialized technical work.  Everything associated with the new server 
is not free - Perhaps there is something some of us could do by check, 
paypal, patreon, ....?

- Bill "Bald Eagle" Walker
(feel free to copy your reply to my email)

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On 3/21/21 5:04 AM, Chris Cason wrote:
> Also if anyone wants 
> to volunteer to update the content I'd be happy to drop a zip here or 
> email it you.
> 
> -- Chris

Send it over.   I'll have a look and see if I have any ideas.
Seems like 2021 is the POV-Ray Year of the Update.  ;)

- Bill

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On 2021-03-21 4:46 AM (-4), Chris Cason wrote:
> On 21/03/2021 15:26, Cousin Ricky wrote:
>> I submitted an article to povray.binaries.images Thursday night, but I 

> 
> I've told the server to re-generate its indexes and overview files; see 
> if that helps.
> 
> I can see a post from you called "Hooded lamp occlusion" in pbi now, so 
> if that's the one you are referring to, it's definitely there (though I 
> didn't check before re-generating the indexes, so I don't know if that 
> was the cause or not).

Yes, that's the one.  Nothing I tried to refresh the headers worked, so 
I finally decided to unsubscribe and resubscribe to p.b.i., and that worked.

It's odd that I had this problem with p.b.i, but not with p.general.

Thanks again for all your work.

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On 3/21/2021 7:25 AM, Ash Holsenback wrote:
> On 3/21/21 12:26 AM, Cousin Ricky wrote:
>> On 2021-03-20 6:46 PM (-4), Chris Cason wrote:
>>> On 21/03/2021 08:40, Mike Horvath wrote:
>>>> Sorry if this is mentioned already, but in Thunderbird I am 
>>>> sometimes getting the wrong messages with the wrong thread titles. 
>>>> Maybe it's a database issue?
>>> The NNTP server doesn't use a database per se; it's a monolithic app 
>>> that stores the articles in its own format.
>>>
>>> It's possible something has gone awry in its indexing of the 
>>> articles. I'll take a look and see if I can find a way to re-generate 
>>> the XOVER files.
>>
>> I submitted an article to povray.binaries.images Thursday night, but I 

>>
> 
> try re-downloading the headers... i saw the same issue couple of days 
> ago when news 1st came back online. that all i had to do

How do I do this in Thunderbird?


Thanks.

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On 3/21/21 10:43 PM, Mike Horvath wrote:
> On 3/21/2021 7:25 AM, Ash Holsenback wrote:
>> On 3/21/21 12:26 AM, Cousin Ricky wrote:
>>> On 2021-03-20 6:46 PM (-4), Chris Cason wrote:
>>>> On 21/03/2021 08:40, Mike Horvath wrote:
>>>>> Sorry if this is mentioned already, but in Thunderbird I am 
>>>>> sometimes getting the wrong messages with the wrong thread titles. 
>>>>> Maybe it's a database issue?
>>>> The NNTP server doesn't use a database per se; it's a monolithic app 
>>>> that stores the articles in its own format.
>>>>
>>>> It's possible something has gone awry in its indexing of the 
>>>> articles. I'll take a look and see if I can find a way to 
>>>> re-generate the XOVER files.
>>>
>>> I submitted an article to povray.binaries.images Thursday night, but 

>>>
>>
>> try re-downloading the headers... i saw the same issue couple of days 
>> ago when news 1st came back online. that all i had to do
> 
> How do I do this in Thunderbird?
> 
> 
> Thanks.

in the left side pane alt-click on a newsgroup

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On 3/21/21 5:04 AM, Chris Cason wrote:
> Current status: www.povray.org is now back in read-write mode with the 
> database hooked back in.
> 
...

Do I need to login to get at the forums / news.povray.org/groups from 
the web page? This link just hangs for me currently.

I mostly use thunderbird except when I need to figure out what the 
actual web links are.

Bill P.

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Current status: the webview of the newsgroups is back up again, though 
in read-only mode for now (and not taking a feed from the NNTP server yet).

There were a LOT of changes needed to the code to make it work with PHP7 
so some breakage or strange behavior can be expected. If anything looks 
particularly wonky please let me know.

-- Chris

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On 2021-03-22 11:54 AM (-4), Chris Cason wrote:
> Current status: the webview of the newsgroups is back up again, though 
> in read-only mode for now (and not taking a feed from the NNTP server yet).
> 
> There were a LOT of changes needed to the code to make it work with PHP7 
> so some breakage or strange behavior can be expected. If anything looks 
> particularly wonky please let me know.

One thing that was wonky for a long time but seems to be fixed now is 
that when non-ASCII characters were entered through a newsreader, they 
were incorrectly converted in the Web view.  They look fine now.

The Web view also added an extra space if text was indented in the 
newsreader.  This is still happening.

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