I lived in Seattle area 15 years from 1970 to 1985 (my growing pain years), and all I
have to say is: Yuck! Sorry. I did like it in it's own way though, many fun and fond
memories. But sheesh, that drizzly grey sky stuff is terrible. I like the slightly
more
dynamic weather of my birthplace, Alabama, much better. Warmer with shorter winters,
and
not too drastically dynamic a clime at that.
Oh yeah, Renton eh? How about that Renton Loop? Had to cruise that as a teenager a
time
or three. My brother works at Boeing in Renton btw.


Mark Wagner wrote:
> 
> Who else is from the Detroit area?
> Who is from Seattle?
> 
> Mark Wagner
> from Novi
> Originally from Renton

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Hi Tony B. Are you implying my great world map is askew or some such thing? Heh-heh.
Panama is a rather thin bit of land afterall and you're marker might be more in the
Gulf
of Mexico than on dry land. Not sure. But if you are talking about the marker closest
to
yours to the north, well, that's Florida and somehow I doubt that person could be
lonely
at all there in such a densely populated state ;)
Oh, I get it. You're saying "above" as in over the Panama area of the map. Or YOU in
other words. Yeah, bet you are lonely, huh...? Just kidding!


TonyB wrote:
> 
> What about the lonely dot above Panama in Central America? Who's that poor
> isolated fellow? Will he ever meet others like him? ...tune in next week for
> another exciting expisode of "The Lone POVer"...
> 
> --
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> 
> Graphics rendered
> by the Dreamachine.

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No, you're not seeing things. That's two (yes, 2) close neighbors of yours in Ottawa.
About the listing of persons and related info: despite some people willing to share
their info I can't see it as feasible. Many did not leave email addresses for one
thing.
I've thought this same thing over several times with the conclusion it is too messy a
proposition as is. It would either (1.) require a resubmittal/contact by all or (2.)
only be partial info for sending out/posting. The prime importance would be the
acquisition of everyones permission to redistribute. If I had the forethought to do so
I
would have asked also for the right to hand over all of it to anyone else and I did
not.
Sending it out to everyone with a supplied email address isn't totally out of the
question I would think, I just hate the idea of trying that since part of the reason
some people may have participated to begin with was due to a single person (me) being
sole caretaker of their information. I could be completely wrong, but hey like I say,
there isn't a reasonable way to find out or unless a partial set were to be done (or
redone, as the case may be) and I'm not really doing any more than gathering and
updating. Sorry folks, the main reason I'm putting it this way is due to other things
I've heard about people not wanting their personal info spread around, plus the fact
it
would be another task to start sorting in a way altogether different from the current
one.
The concept of internet technology demographics and the plotting on this particular
map
is a interesting one. To me only some places make sense and others do not. Not only
that, but the oddity (irony?) of some clusters of people very close to each other is
moreso fascinating. We would probably have to see the exact cultural settings to make
a
judgement. In my particular instance there are 3 locales plotted nearly in the same
place (including myself) and it is a region where the NASA space program, among other
such high-tech things, are occupants also of this area. Yet I do not have any ability
to
say a similar thing of other places.

Guess what... No. Okay, I'll tell you then. That Macapa, Brazil marker is an error.
Now
talk about a lonely poor sole, non-existant even!
Thankyou Chris M. for causing me to look it up. Turns out I had mistakenly switched
the
latitude and longitude numbers for London, England. *blush* I am so ashamed! I would
never have realized that if you hadn't brought it up and there was no email address of
the person it concerned, so sorry to you too, Londoner. Where ever you are J. W.,
there
isn't another person besides you in London, yet). Luckily it appears to be shown
already
marked (not really, just close by).


Chris Maryan wrote:
> 
> On a related note: Bob, how about appending the list of names with
> locations for those who don't mind. Or how about just a list of
> coordinates for those interested in trying a pov map ourselves.
> 
> And now for something completely different. Any thoughts as to whether
> this map accurately represents the use of internet technologies?
> 
> Speaking of which, what's up with the unexpected concentration around
> Estonia and Finland?
> 
> And while I'm ranting away... regarding TonyB's post about the isolated
> POVer, the most isolated seem to be our friends in Panama, Singapore and
> what I can only guess to be Macapa.
> 
> I can't remember what my original reason to write this was, so I'll stop
> now.
> 
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> double dot or am I just seeing things)
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Yes, good point. Ask away of anyone, anyhow, I just don't dare start throwing email
addresses around like confetti.

Somerville, AL here btw ;)


Mark Gordon wrote:
> 
> Ken wrote:
> >
> >   It is my understanding the Bob has intentionally omitted the association
> > between name and place for those who do not wish to disclose such information
> > publicly but wished to participate in the project. Therefore it would not be
> > polite to ask him to betray this trust.
> 
> I took that to be an invitation to the person to please stand up, not a
> request on Bob's part to tell us who the person is.
> 
> For the record, I'm the one in Madison, Wisconsin.
> 
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Mark Wagner wrote:
 
> Who else is from the Detroit area?
> Who is from Seattle?
> Mark Wagner

My sister-in-law lives just outside Detroit in Flint and my brother
lives just outside Seattle in Redmond. Does that count ? Probably
not since neither one uses the program but you asked.

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Thank you Ken T., it does make much sense not to begin listing people and places even
here I believe and you spoke for me well.
I know who the "Aussie" is in Perth. Only problem is I found there to be a
impersonator
there as well. Namely the same person apparently. I had a integer number set of
coordinates along with a decimal precision set. No more ghosting in the next update.
Thanks to you Lance B. another error discovered. Gosh, I am beginning to wonder how
many
mistakes are present now. Not to worry though, I have reason to believe there is about
99.9% accuracy for now, plus or minus 1%  ;)


Ken wrote:
> 
> Lance Birch wrote:
> >
> > And who's the Aussie in Perth? ;)
> >
> > --
> > Lance.
> >
> > Gail Shaw wrote in message <37739fe8@news.povray.org>...
> 
> > >Wow, Three in south Africa. Who are the other two?
> > >(I'm the one in JHB)
> > >
> > >Gail
> 
> To all,
> 
>   It is my understanding the Bob has intentionally omitted the association
> between name and place for those who do not wish to disclose such information
> publicly but wished to participate in the project. Therefore it would not be
> polite to ask him to betray this trust.
> 
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> 
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I am in lower Michigan, but didn't get the coordinates for the map. I am
right next to the MI-IN state line.(About 1/2 mile from it, in fact. So
close that we run on Indiana time instead of Michigan time.)

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Bob <inv### [at] aolcom> wrote in message news:3772E7C3.74469EE9@aol.com...
> http://members.aol.com/wrld0rigin/povwrldjpg.htm
<snip>

Great map - nice one :)

Though (heh, there's always one, sorry ;)
..the European map entries seem a little out of place?  There doesn't seem
to be that many in, for example, the south-east of England (one of the most
densely populated areas - including London, as well as where I live [and
submitted]) doesn't seem to have anyone.  There does appear, however, to be
at least a couple of people living 70 or so miles out at sea... one off the
coast of Wales and another the coast of Ireland.

Now if the locations (for the UK at least) where shifted a little east and
south - then not only would these people reach dry land again, but the
south-east would look a bit more populated.  OK.. I know there population
density doesn't necessarily have anything to do with where POV users
"should" be.. but it just seemed to make a bit more sense when combined with
the sea-people problem :)

OK.. so maybe I'm just being pedantic - either way, still a very well made
and interesting map Bob :)


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What about links to their website, if they have one and wan't to, when you
click on theyr dot
and by the way are theyr to dots in Berlin,Germany ? you can put me there to
if you wan't.

greetings Lars
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Bob <inv### [at] aolcom> schrieb in im Newsbeitrag:
3772E7C3.74469EE9@aol.com...
> http://members.aol.com/wrld0rigin/povwrldjpg.htm
>
> Please try to click on either, or both, North America and/or Europe for
closeup views.
> If you click elsewhere on one of the faces of the world you will go to the
coordinate
> submission page. Clicking on the title will take you to a current list of
people.
> Keep in mind there has been no new additions, if you haven't sent your
location in,
> please think about doing so.
>
> Thankyou.
> Bob
>
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I'm in Southfield.  If you go find the original thread that led up to this,
I think you'll find the other MI person.

-Nathan

Mark Wagner wrote:
> 
> Who else is from the Detroit area?
> Who is from Seattle?
> 
> Mark Wagner
> from Novi
> Originally from Renton

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Yes, that's exactly how I meant it... sorry for the confusion, I thought it
was obvious.

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Mark Gordon wrote in message <3773DE1F.6F61F05F@mailbag.com>...
>Ken wrote:
>>
>>   It is my understanding the Bob has intentionally omitted the
association
>> between name and place for those who do not wish to disclose such
information
>> publicly but wished to participate in the project. Therefore it would not
be
>> polite to ask him to betray this trust.
>
>I took that to be an invitation to the person to please stand up, not a
>request on Bob's part to tell us who the person is.
>
>For the record, I'm the one in Madison, Wisconsin.
>
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>Thanks to you Lance B. another error discovered.

*takes a bow*

OK I'll shut up and go back to my designing...

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On Sat, 26 Jun 1999 05:18:33 -0500, Chris Huff
<Chr### [at] compuservecom> wrote:

>I am in lower Michigan, but didn't get the coordinates for the map. I am
>right next to the MI-IN state line.(About 1/2 mile from it, in fact. So
>close that we run on Indiana time instead of Michigan time.)

Where?  I grew up just ten miles the other side of that line.  I now
live a tad further south, in Fort Wayne.  By the way, that doesn't
show up so well on the map.  I know we're not THAT far south.
41 degrees, 9 minutes north, 85 degrees, 9 minutes west.

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I have a Union address, but don't actually live IN Union. And Union is
small, probably be better to look for Elkhart, IN.

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Chris Maryan wrote:

> And while I'm ranting away... regarding TonyB's post about the isolated
> POVer, the most isolated seem to be our friends in Panama, Singapore and
> what I can only guess to be Macapa.
>

What about Alaska, it only has one that wants to show themselves.
Mr. Art

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On Sat, 26 Jun 1999 02:59:20 -0500, Bob <inv### [at] aolcom> wrote:

[snip]
>Guess what... No. Okay, I'll tell you then. That Macapa, Brazil marker is an error.
Now
>talk about a lonely poor sole, non-existant even!
>Thankyou Chris M. for causing me to look it up. Turns out I had mistakenly switched
the
>latitude and longitude numbers for London, England. *blush* I am so ashamed! I would
>never have realized that if you hadn't brought it up and there was no email address
of
>the person it concerned, so sorry to you too, Londoner. Where ever you are J. W.,
there
>isn't another person besides you in London, yet). Luckily it appears to be shown
already
>marked (not really, just close by).
>
>
Well I'm pretty close to J.W. - if I could but figure out what my
co-ordinates are.


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I see that you did. Thanks for finding them (the lat/lon).


Cliff Bowman wrote:
> 
> Well I'm pretty close to J.W. - if I could but figure out what my
> co-ordinates are.
>

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Yep, and very near the edge of the globe as shown in the map too. I tend to think of
the
New Zealanders when I see you way out there.
Thanks for sending your lat/lon btw, I had used Anchorages' itself before now.


Arthur Flint wrote:
> 
> Chris Maryan wrote:
> 
> > And while I'm ranting away... regarding TonyB's post about the isolated
> > POVer, the most isolated seem to be our friends in Panama, Singapore and
> > what I can only guess to be Macapa.
> >
> 
> What about Alaska, it only has one that wants to show themselves.
> Mr. Art

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Thanks Matthew, I've known of the oddity about those British Isles for some time now,
like since I used this latest Earth image, which is the strange thing about it. I
couldn't use the image as is when I first applied it, way off from what the supposed
mathematically correct latitudes and longitudes were showing. So there has been some
additional area (over ocean) added to improve upon the original. I don't know why
there
was ever any problem at all since I had thought the Earth image was a direct
representation of the real globe. Anyhow, all else appears to be aligning fairly well,
but England? It's like a terrible earthquake has shifted it toward the continent. I
haven't a good fix for this yet, I hate to think the coordinate numbers need a
subtraction by more than a degree and even worse the prospect of cut & pasting Great
Britain. Not a thing I like to do, playing god.
On this subject, anyone else seeing a significant shift in their map positions from
the
real?


Matthew Bennett wrote:
> 
> Great map - nice one :)
> 
> Though (heh, there's always one, sorry ;)
> ..the European map entries seem a little out of place?  There doesn't seem
> to be that many in, for example, the south-east of England (one of the most
> densely populated areas - including London, as well as where I live [and
> submitted]) doesn't seem to have anyone.  There does appear, however, to be
> at least a couple of people living 70 or so miles out at sea... one off the
> coast of Wales and another the coast of Ireland.
> 
> Now if the locations (for the UK at least) where shifted a little east and
> south - then not only would these people reach dry land again, but the
> south-east would look a bit more populated.  OK.. I know there population
> density doesn't necessarily have anything to do with where POV users
> "should" be.. but it just seemed to make a bit more sense when combined with
> the sea-people problem :)
> 
> OK.. so maybe I'm just being pedantic - either way, still a very well made
> and interesting map Bob :)
> 
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That would be a great thing, yes. The fact of overlapping dots as you pointed out
would
prevent a simple way to do that however, and I'm into simplistic things. The other
aspect is the resubmission concept which I don't see happening, but not altogether out
of the question. Same for the idea of sending the whole setup out to others, just that
why would two of these make sense seeing as how they would only begin to diverge with
any continuation of people joining in to separate maps.
Consider yourself added to the "inhabitants", complete with another dot on top of the
existing Berlin one.


"Lars W." wrote:
> 
> What about links to their website, if they have one and wan't to, when you
> click on theyr dot
> and by the way are theyr to dots in Berlin,Germany ? you can put me there to
> if you wan't.
> 
> greetings Lars
> http://www.snafu.de/~lars.wolter
> 
> Bob <inv### [at] aolcom> schrieb in im Newsbeitrag:
> 3772E7C3.74469EE9@aol.com...
> > http://members.aol.com/wrld0rigin/povwrldjpg.htm
> >
> > Please try to click on either, or both, North America and/or Europe for
> closeup views.
> > If you click elsewhere on one of the faces of the world you will go to the
> coordinate
> > submission page. Clicking on the title will take you to a current list of
> people.
> > Keep in mind there has been no new additions, if you haven't sent your
> location in,
> > please think about doing so.
> >
> > Thankyou.
> > Bob
> >
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My mistake. Ottawa is the marker you see NE of Toronto (or those double dots) and
there
are actually two markers there as I had said, so that is true anyway. Those two close
markers near or at Toronto is a mystery. I have searched this thing out and found
nothing to explain the second one. The other is Mississauga and should be correct.
Only
other marker position that comes close would be Buffalo New York, south of Lake
Ontario.


Bob wrote:
> 
> No, you're not seeing things. That's two (yes, 2) close neighbors of yours in
Ottawa.
> About the listing of persons and related info: despite some people willing to share
> their info I can't see it as feasible. Many did not leave email addresses for one
thing.
> I've thought this same thing over several times with the conclusion it is too messy
a
> proposition as is. It would either (1.) require a resubmittal/contact by all or (2.)
> only be partial info for sending out/posting. The prime importance would be the
> acquisition of everyones permission to redistribute. If I had the forethought to do
so I
> would have asked also for the right to hand over all of it to anyone else and I did
not.
> Sending it out to everyone with a supplied email address isn't totally out of the
> question I would think, I just hate the idea of trying that since part of the reason
> some people may have participated to begin with was due to a single person (me)
being
> sole caretaker of their information. I could be completely wrong, but hey like I
say,
> there isn't a reasonable way to find out or unless a partial set were to be done (or
> redone, as the case may be) and I'm not really doing any more than gathering and
> updating. Sorry folks, the main reason I'm putting it this way is due to other
things
> I've heard about people not wanting their personal info spread around, plus the fact
it
> would be another task to start sorting in a way altogether different from the
current
> one.
> The concept of internet technology demographics and the plotting on this particular
map
> is a interesting one. To me only some places make sense and others do not. Not only
> that, but the oddity (irony?) of some clusters of people very close to each other is
> moreso fascinating. We would probably have to see the exact cultural settings to
make a
> judgement. In my particular instance there are 3 locales plotted nearly in the same
> place (including myself) and it is a region where the NASA space program, among
other
> such high-tech things, are occupants also of this area. Yet I do not have any
ability to
> say a similar thing of other places.
> 
> Guess what... No. Okay, I'll tell you then. That Macapa, Brazil marker is an error.
Now
> talk about a lonely poor sole, non-existant even!
> Thankyou Chris M. for causing me to look it up. Turns out I had mistakenly switched
the
> latitude and longitude numbers for London, England. *blush* I am so ashamed! I would
> never have realized that if you hadn't brought it up and there was no email address
of
> the person it concerned, so sorry to you too, Londoner. Where ever you are J. W.,
there
> isn't another person besides you in London, yet). Luckily it appears to be shown
already
> marked (not really, just close by).
> 
> Chris Maryan wrote:
> >
> > On a related note: Bob, how about appending the list of names with
> > locations for those who don't mind. Or how about just a list of
> > coordinates for those interested in trying a pov map ourselves.
> >
> > And now for something completely different. Any thoughts as to whether
> > this map accurately represents the use of internet technologies?
> >
> > Speaking of which, what's up with the unexpected concentration around
> > Estonia and Finland?
> >
> > And while I'm ranting away... regarding TonyB's post about the isolated
> > POVer, the most isolated seem to be our friends in Panama, Singapore and
> > what I can only guess to be Macapa.
> >
> > I can't remember what my original reason to write this was, so I'll stop
> > now.
> >
> > --
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> > double dot or am I just seeing things)
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Chris Maryan wrote:
>
> Speaking of which, what's up with the unexpected concentration around
> Estonia and Finland?
> 

Why unexpected? That's THE CENTRE :)

Margus

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I find myself my fellow Estonian POVers peacefully floating in the Baltic Sea,
halfway between Tallinn and Helsinki. I'm not complaining - it's nice and warm.
Just get me out of there before autumn :)

Margus

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I can always try (to get you out of those icey winter waters), however it's a hit and
miss problem. If I add or subtract to that Earth image, for the spherical 'image_map',
it tends to throw other places off. I wish I knew what accuracy it was meant to have,
obviously not the choice for cartographers. As I've said, the math of the POV-Ray
coordinates really shouldn't be off, at least by any observable amount I should think.


Margus Ramst wrote:
> 
> I find myself my fellow Estonian POVers peacefully floating in the Baltic Sea,
> halfway between Tallinn and Helsinki. I'm not complaining - it's nice and warm.
> Just get me out of there before autumn :)
> 
> Margus

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On Sun, 27 Jun 1999 00:41:54 -0500, Bob <inv### [at] aolcom> wrote:

>I see that you did. Thanks for finding them (the lat/lon).
>
>
No problem. It was quite fun searching around for it actually :)

As for who appears to be just off the west coast of Ireland - I pity
the weather they must have :)


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On Sun, 27 Jun 1999 01:03:25 -0500, Bob <inv### [at] aolcom> wrote:

[snip]
> Anyhow, all else appears to be aligning fairly well,
>but England? It's like a terrible earthquake has shifted it toward the continent. I
>haven't a good fix for this yet, I hate to think the coordinate numbers need a
>subtraction by more than a degree and even worse the prospect of cut & pasting Great
>Britain. Not a thing I like to do, playing god.


If you do have to resort to moving the UK - could you move us somewhat
south? I know the weather's pretty good here at the moment, but we
could do with a warmer average <g>


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No biggie. Besides, I believe there are a few tiny islands around there. So you
needn't bother about it.

Margus

Bob wrote:
> 
> I can always try (to get you out of those icey winter waters), however it's a hit
and
> miss problem. If I add or subtract to that Earth image, for the spherical
'image_map',
> it tends to throw other places off. I wish I knew what accuracy it was meant to
have,
> obviously not the choice for cartographers. As I've said, the math of the POV-Ray
> coordinates really shouldn't be off, at least by any observable amount I should
think.
>

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On Sun, 27 Jun 1999 16:38:22 -0500, Bob <inv### [at] aolcom> wrote:

>I can always try (to get you out of those icey winter waters), however it's a hit and
>miss problem. If I add or subtract to that Earth image, for the spherical
'image_map',
>it tends to throw other places off. I wish I knew what accuracy it was meant to have,
>obviously not the choice for cartographers. As I've said, the math of the POV-Ray
>coordinates really shouldn't be off, at least by any observable amount I should
think.

Have you considered that Earth is actually not a perfect sphere but is
a little squished along the axis of rotation? It's shaped as a geoide
(sp?) which makes perfect sense as this word means "looking like
Earth" :)


Peter Popov
ICQ: 15002700

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Cliff Bowman <who### [at] spamcitycom> wrote in message
news:37766ca4.7134056@news.povray.org...
> On Sun, 27 Jun 1999 01:03:25 -0500, Bob <inv### [at] aolcom> wrote:
>
> [snip]
> > Anyhow, all else appears to be aligning fairly well,
> >but England? It's like a terrible earthquake has shifted it toward the
continent. I
> >haven't a good fix for this yet, I hate to think the coordinate numbers
need a
> >subtraction by more than a degree and even worse the prospect of cut &
pasting Great
> >Britain. Not a thing I like to do, playing god.
>
>
> If you do have to resort to moving the UK - could you move us somewhat
> south? I know the weather's pretty good here at the moment, but we
> could do with a warmer average <g>

Yeah, and airbrush out any clouds.
In fact, you could airbrush out Milton Keynes while you're at it :P

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>Uh, say Mark, I think you are letting on about how you like the
Southern Hemisphere
>here; so much so that you sent in a latitude of 142 degrees and 40
minutes. That would
>have put you back up north to -38 degrees instead of this 42 however ;)

Doh, thanks Barry, erm Bob. (Sorry, but a typo is better than Mark vs
Martin :-))

Maybe this is why I keep getting angles of rotation fouled up...

>I took the liberty of removing the 1 already, so you are set up to be
rendered as should
>be. Much later today (6/26) that is.

Thanks for correcting my abject stupidity.

Have Fun
Martin
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Bob wrote in message <3774772F.78A9F9FC@aol.com>...
>Uh, say Mark, I think you are letting on about how you like the
Southern Hemisphere
>here; so much so that you sent in a latitude of 142 degrees and 40
minutes. That would

>Martin Crisp wrote:
>>
>> Anyone further south than me?
>>
>> 42deg 40min S, 147deg 20min E

Umm, is that me sitting off the West coast of Tasmania? (Should be in
the SE corner - point would be centred slightly more than 1 marker
diameter further south, and slightly right of the marker that's in
Melbourne...)

What did I submit for longditude (given I submitted a different latitude
to what I typed above...)?

Just had a look at a higher resolution map...1:25,000 (rather than the
Readers Digest World Map) :-)
42deg 50min (about 30sec) S
147deg 17min (about 5sec) E

Or am I now being picky? (Don't get me wrong, looks great!)

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Bob <inv### [at] aolcom> wrote in message news:3772E7C3.74469EE9@aol.com...
> http://members.aol.com/wrld0rigin/povwrldjpg.htm
>

    I think you ought to check on the alignment of the image map you're
using.

    At first I thought I'd been missed, checked you list, and sure enough,
I'm on there.
    But where ? Let me tell you none of the spots on the UK are over
Cambridge (where I am).
    Then I noticed those two spots that seem to be floating in the sea.

    Could it be that you're image map is shifted a couple of degrees to the
east ? (or that the spots are shifted a couple of degrees west). That would
explain the spots off the west coasts of Wales & Ireland and correcting it
would put one of the spots roughly over Cambridge !

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You will have email from me soon. But yes, I've noticed aligment
troubles from the beginning, it comes down to the image_map used mostly,
along with possible inaccuracies of lat/lon coordinate submissions. Some
are just city or town names, the East West or South North
positive/negative is most important when sent in. Luckily everyone
states their placename as well, usually.

 http://members.aol.com/wrld0rigin/uk.htm

Have a look at this latest one please, anyone who is there in the UK and
surrounding region (a few minutes from time of this message post).

Bob

Scott Hill wrote:
> 
> Bob <inv### [at] aolcom> wrote in message news:3772E7C3.74469EE9@aol.com...
> > http://members.aol.com/wrld0rigin/povwrldjpg.htm
> >
> 
>     I think you ought to check on the alignment of the image map you're
> using.
> 
>     At first I thought I'd been missed, checked you list, and sure enough,
> I'm on there.
>     But where ? Let me tell you none of the spots on the UK are over
> Cambridge (where I am).
>     Then I noticed those two spots that seem to be floating in the sea.
> 
>     Could it be that you're image map is shifted a couple of degrees to the
> east ? (or that the spots are shifted a couple of degrees west). That would
> explain the spots off the west coasts of Wales & Ireland and correcting it
> would put one of the spots roughly over Cambridge !
> 
> --
> Scott Hill : sco### [at] cyberlifecouk
> Software Engineer (and all round nice guy)
> Author of Pandora's Box : Watch this space.
> Work homepage : http://www.cyberlife.co.uk
> 
> "We will decide what the news is. The news is what we tell you it is." - The
> Fox TV network.

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On Wed, 21 Jul 1999 06:18:18 -0500, Bob Hughes <inv### [at] aolcom>
wrote:
[snip]
> http://members.aol.com/wrld0rigin/uk.htm
>
>Have a look at this latest one please, anyone who is there in the UK and
>surrounding region (a few minutes from time of this message post).
>
Looking good - there's the anticipated cluster around London
(apparently not much actually IN London though - Odd).


Cheers,

Cliff Bowman
Why not pay my 3D Dr Who site a visit at http://www.who3d.cwc.net/
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There are two "in" London overlapping, one is without lat/lon so only
placed with the other London position. I think I might offset it
slightly now that the closeup shows it better.

> Looking good - there's the anticipated cluster around London
> (apparently not much actually IN London though - Odd).
> 

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Therein lies one of the biggest problems with The Earth IMHO - it's
bigger than it often seems.

>There are two "in" London overlapping, one is without lat/lon so only
>placed with the other London position. I think I might offset it
>slightly now that the closeup shows it better.
>
>> Looking good - there's the anticipated cluster around London
>> (apparently not much actually IN London though - Odd).
>> 
>

Cheers,

Cliff Bowman
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On Wed, 21 Jul 1999 06:18:18 -0500, Bob Hughes <inv### [at] aolcom> wrote:
>Have a look at this latest one please, anyone who is there in the UK and
>surrounding region (a few minutes from time of this message post).

OK, now the spots in Finland are too far north, and the odd bloke from
halfway between Tallinn and Helsinki has decided to live in the latter :-)

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At least everybody's dry now...

Margus

Antti Arola wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 21 Jul 1999 06:18:18 -0500, Bob Hughes <inv### [at] aolcom> wrote:
> >Have a look at this latest one please, anyone who is there in the UK and
> >surrounding region (a few minutes from time of this message post).
> 
> OK, now the spots in Finland are too far north, and the odd bloke from
> halfway between Tallinn and Helsinki has decided to live in the latter :-)
> 
> --
> Antti Arola
> aar### [at] lutfi
> ICQ: 18685389

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Yeah, it's not perfect to be sure. At least I don't think so. Like we're
all the ones messed up instead or something? No, I'd have to say these
images never map exactly right. Whether it be POV-Ray at fault or the
image used isn't correct is anyones guess. The previous image I had used
was definately off, I had to actually add in a slice of longitude
(couple degrees or more) and maybe even a bit to the North or South pole
but I don't remember. The problem comes when trying to adjust for all
points on the globe you see. Were it a simple singular direction (scale)
it wouldn't be so tough; but if even a rescaling, or resizing rather, of
both latitude and longitude fails it's just never going to be right.
Well, never say never.
Anyhow so far it looks as if were I to move anything one way a lot of
points shift badly the other, and likewise for the other directions.
Could be a mapping type of problem but I don't see it that way yet.
Thanks for speaking up regardless, Antti A.


Antti Arola wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 21 Jul 1999 06:18:18 -0500, Bob Hughes <inv### [at] aolcom> wrote:
> >Have a look at this latest one please, anyone who is there in the UK and
> >surrounding region (a few minutes from time of this message post).
> 
> OK, now the spots in Finland are too far north, and the odd bloke from
> halfway between Tallinn and Helsinki has decided to live in the latter :-)
> 
> --
> Antti Arola
> aar### [at] lutfi
> ICQ: 18685389

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Agreed, MK should go into Room 101, I worked there for six weeks
and when I left vowed never to return. 

Matthew Bennett wrote:
> 
> Cliff Bowman <who### [at] spamcitycom> wrote in message
> news:37766ca4.7134056@news.povray.org...
> > On Sun, 27 Jun 1999 01:03:25 -0500, Bob <inv### [at] aolcom> wrote:
> >
> > [snip]
> > > Anyhow, all else appears to be aligning fairly well,
> > >but England? It's like a terrible earthquake has shifted it toward the
> continent. I
> > >haven't a good fix for this yet, I hate to think the coordinate numbers
> need a
> > >subtraction by more than a degree and even worse the prospect of cut &
> pasting Great
> > >Britain. Not a thing I like to do, playing god.
> >
> >
> > If you do have to resort to moving the UK - could you move us somewhat
> > south? I know the weather's pretty good here at the moment, but we
> > could do with a warmer average <g>
> 
> Yeah, and airbrush out any clouds.
> In fact, you could airbrush out Milton Keynes while you're at it :P
> 
> /\/\/\//

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Bob

There's a question mark next to my name for some reason,
(probably why I'm in the sea), (Wigan North West England). 

Bob Hughes wrote:
> 
> You will have email from me soon. But yes, I've noticed aligment
> troubles from the beginning, it comes down to the image_map used mostly,
> along with possible inaccuracies of lat/lon coordinate submissions. Some
> are just city or town names, the East West or South North
> positive/negative is most important when sent in. Luckily everyone
> states their placename as well, usually.
> 
>  http://members.aol.com/wrld0rigin/uk.htm
> 
> Have a look at this latest one please, anyone who is there in the UK and
> surrounding region (a few minutes from time of this message post).
> 
> Bob
> 
> Scott Hill wrote:
> >
> > Bob <inv### [at] aolcom> wrote in message news:3772E7C3.74469EE9@aol.com...
> > > http://members.aol.com/wrld0rigin/povwrldjpg.htm
> > >
> >
> >     I think you ought to check on the alignment of the image map you're
> > using.
> >
> >     At first I thought I'd been missed, checked you list, and sure enough,
> > I'm on there.
> >     But where ? Let me tell you none of the spots on the UK are over
> > Cambridge (where I am).
> >     Then I noticed those two spots that seem to be floating in the sea.
> >
> >     Could it be that you're image map is shifted a couple of degrees to the
> > east ? (or that the spots are shifted a couple of degrees west). That would
> > explain the spots off the west coasts of Wales & Ireland and correcting it
> > would put one of the spots roughly over Cambridge !
> >
> > --
> > Scott Hill : sco### [at] cyberlifecouk
> > Software Engineer (and all round nice guy)
> > Author of Pandora's Box : Watch this space.
> > Work homepage : http://www.cyberlife.co.uk
> >
> > "We will decide what the news is. The news is what we tell you it is." - The
> > Fox TV network.
> 
> --
>  omniVERSE: beyond the universe
>   http://members.aol.com/inversez/homepage.htm
>  mailto://inversez@aol.com?Subject=PoV-News

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I finally have Outlook Express 5 figured out enough to post replies so
I'm posting here even though I have sent email already to you Steve.
Just so people know I am still here :)
For the curious, Steve had sent me his coordinates as numbers without
decimal places in the degree fields, no minutes. That was the
confusion. Not that it will correct anything probably because I think
I had guessed the correct numbers anyway from what he gave me.

Bob

Steve <sjl### [at] ndirectcouk> wrote in message
news:37AB5FE7.25F72A53@ndirect.co.uk...
> Bob
>
> There's a question mark next to my name for some reason,
> (probably why I'm in the sea), (Wigan North West England).
>
> Bob Hughes wrote:
> >
> > You will have email from me soon. But yes, I've noticed aligment
> > troubles from the beginning, it comes down to the image_map used
mostly,
> > along with possible inaccuracies of lat/lon coordinate
submissions. Some
> > are just city or town names, the East West or South North
> > positive/negative is most important when sent in. Luckily everyone
> > states their placename as well, usually.
> >
> >  http://members.aol.com/wrld0rigin/uk.htm
> >
> > Have a look at this latest one please, anyone who is there in the
UK and
> > surrounding region (a few minutes from time of this message post).
> >
> > Bob
> >
> > Scott Hill wrote:
> > >
> > > Bob <inv### [at] aolcom> wrote in message
news:3772E7C3.74469EE9@aol.com...
> > > > http://members.aol.com/wrld0rigin/povwrldjpg.htm
> > > >
> > >
> > >     I think you ought to check on the alignment of the image map
you're
> > > using.
> > >
> > >     At first I thought I'd been missed, checked you list, and
sure enough,
> > > I'm on there.
> > >     But where ? Let me tell you none of the spots on the UK are
over
> > > Cambridge (where I am).
> > >     Then I noticed those two spots that seem to be floating in
the sea.
> > >
> > >     Could it be that you're image map is shifted a couple of
degrees to the
> > > east ? (or that the spots are shifted a couple of degrees west).
That would
> > > explain the spots off the west coasts of Wales & Ireland and
correcting it
> > > would put one of the spots roughly over Cambridge !
> > >
> > > --
> > > Scott Hill : sco### [at] cyberlifecouk
> > > Software Engineer (and all round nice guy)
> > > Author of Pandora's Box : Watch this space.
> > > Work homepage : http://www.cyberlife.co.uk
> > >
> > > "We will decide what the news is. The news is what we tell you
it is." - The
> > > Fox TV network.
> >
> > --
> >  omniVERSE: beyond the universe
> >   http://members.aol.com/inversez/homepage.htm
> >  mailto://inversez@aol.com?Subject=PoV-News
>
> --
> Cheers
> Steve
>
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Bob I'll check it out and get back to you soon.  Sorry to see
you've turned to MS why?  Netscape does it all, or even agent. 

Bob Hughes wrote:
> 
> I finally have Outlook Express 5 figured out enough to post replies so
> I'm posting here even though I have sent email already to you Steve.
> Just so people know I am still here :)
> For the curious, Steve had sent me his coordinates as numbers without
> decimal places in the degree fields, no minutes. That was the
> confusion. Not that it will correct anything probably because I think
> I had guessed the correct numbers anyway from what he gave me.
> 
> Bob
> 
> Steve <sjl### [at] ndirectcouk> wrote in message
> news:37AB5FE7.25F72A53@ndirect.co.uk...
> > Bob
> >
> > There's a question mark next to my name for some reason,
> > (probably why I'm in the sea), (Wigan North West England).
> >
> > Bob Hughes wrote:
> > >
> > > You will have email from me soon. But yes, I've noticed aligment
> > > troubles from the beginning, it comes down to the image_map used
> mostly,
> > > along with possible inaccuracies of lat/lon coordinate
> submissions. Some
> > > are just city or town names, the East West or South North
> > > positive/negative is most important when sent in. Luckily everyone
> > > states their placename as well, usually.
> > >
> > >  http://members.aol.com/wrld0rigin/uk.htm
> > >
> > > Have a look at this latest one please, anyone who is there in the
> UK and
> > > surrounding region (a few minutes from time of this message post).
> > >
> > > Bob
> > >
> > > Scott Hill wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Bob <inv### [at] aolcom> wrote in message
> news:3772E7C3.74469EE9@aol.com...
> > > > > http://members.aol.com/wrld0rigin/povwrldjpg.htm
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >     I think you ought to check on the alignment of the image map
> you're
> > > > using.
> > > >
> > > >     At first I thought I'd been missed, checked you list, and
> sure enough,
> > > > I'm on there.
> > > >     But where ? Let me tell you none of the spots on the UK are
> over
> > > > Cambridge (where I am).
> > > >     Then I noticed those two spots that seem to be floating in
> the sea.
> > > >
> > > >     Could it be that you're image map is shifted a couple of
> degrees to the
> > > > east ? (or that the spots are shifted a couple of degrees west).
> That would
> > > > explain the spots off the west coasts of Wales & Ireland and
> correcting it
> > > > would put one of the spots roughly over Cambridge !
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Scott Hill : sco### [at] cyberlifecouk
> > > > Software Engineer (and all round nice guy)
> > > > Author of Pandora's Box : Watch this space.
> > > > Work homepage : http://www.cyberlife.co.uk
> > > >
> > > > "We will decide what the news is. The news is what we tell you
> it is." - The
> > > > Fox TV network.
> > >
> > > --
> > >  omniVERSE: beyond the universe
> > >   http://members.aol.com/inversez/homepage.htm
> > >  mailto://inversez@aol.com?Subject=PoV-News
> >
> > --
> > Cheers
> > Steve
> >
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Odd IE tendancies I suppose ;)
Netscape was fine actually, I just wanted to try to update this Win
system with the IE5 stuff and gave Outlook a whirl. It really does
have a few good points and does seem a bit faster as per
advertisement.

Bob

Steve <sjl### [at] ndirectcouk> wrote in message
news:37B6192A.8C0E2497@ndirect.co.uk...
> Bob I'll check it out and get back to you soon.  Sorry to see
> you've turned to MS why?  Netscape does it all, or even agent.
>
> Bob Hughes wrote:
> >
> > I finally have Outlook Express 5 figured out enough to post
replies so

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Bob Hughes wrote:
> 
> Odd IE tendancies I suppose ;)
> Netscape was fine actually, I just wanted to try to update this Win
> system with the IE5 stuff and gave Outlook a whirl. It really does
> have a few good points and does seem a bit faster as per
> advertisement.
> 
> Bob

Faster in what regard ?

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Ken wrote:

> Bob Hughes wrote:
> >
> > Odd IE tendancies I suppose ;)
> > Netscape was fine actually, I just wanted to try to update this Win
> > system with the IE5 stuff and gave Outlook a whirl. It really does
> > have a few good points and does seem a bit faster as per
> > advertisement.
> >
> > Bob
>
> Faster in what regard ?
>
> --
> Ken Tyler
>
> See my 700+ Povray and 3D Rendering and Raytracing Links at:
> http://home.pacbell.net/tylereng/index.html

Um, maybe faster in corrupting your data? Or faster since it ignores
most of the RFC's and standards and just does what the MS engineers just
bothered checking for? Or faster as it does not even bother formatting
text properly for non-HTML and non-RTF posts? Or faster at spreading
macro viruses and trojans as it 'hides all the messy details from
users'? Or faster at mangling downloads as it completely ignores
MIME-types and does what the HTTP specs says explicitly NOT to do (RFC
1945 section 7.2.1)...

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Well now, that was a list of negatives ;)
Seems quicker to retrieve a binary (image, zip, etc) than what
Netscape did. I had a usual transfer rate of 100 to a few hundred
bytes while on Netscape.
Outlook Express 5 isn't showing me a byte rate (not sure it can) but
overall it is a comprehensive enough program for me, moreso than
Netscape 4.61 was anyhow.
P.S. just the signature part alone is better, it will not place into
replies if you don't want.

Bob

Jon A. Cruz <jon### [at] geocitiescom> wrote in message
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> Ken wrote:
>
> > Bob Hughes wrote:
> > >
> > > Odd IE tendancies I suppose ;)
> > > Netscape was fine actually, I just wanted to try to update this
Win
> > > system with the IE5 stuff and gave Outlook a whirl. It really
does
> > > have a few good points and does seem a bit faster as per
> > > advertisement.
> > >
> > > Bob
> >
> > Faster in what regard ?
> >
> > --
> > Ken Tyler
> >
> > See my 700+ Povray and 3D Rendering and Raytracing Links at:
> > http://home.pacbell.net/tylereng/index.html
>
> Um, maybe faster in corrupting your data? Or faster since it ignores
> most of the RFC's and standards and just does what the MS engineers
just
> bothered checking for? Or faster as it does not even bother
formatting
> text properly for non-HTML and non-RTF posts? Or faster at spreading
> macro viruses and trojans as it 'hides all the messy details from
> users'? Or faster at mangling downloads as it completely ignores
> MIME-types and does what the HTTP specs says explicitly NOT to do
(RFC
> 1945 section 7.2.1)...
>
> --
> "My new computer's got the clocks, it rocks
> But it was obsolete before I opened the box" - W.A.Y.
>
>
>

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Bob Hughes wrote:

> P.S. just the signature part alone is better, it will not place into
> replies if you don't want.
> 
> Bob

But that part is optinal anyway. If you don't choose a sig file then no sig
is attached. I got tired of signing my name and copying my link all of the
time so I find the automatic insertion a very handy feature.

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O.T. I go: Alas, I meant that the signature may continue to go into
original message posts but not into any replies to messages if you
choose that to be the case.
You may already have noticed I am doing that now (or noticed not)
because omniVERSE is stated in my New Message posts, for these replies
I just type "Bob" myself  ;)

Bob

Ken <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote in message
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>
>
> Bob Hughes wrote:
>
> > P.S. just the signature part alone is better, it will not place
into
> > replies if you don't want.
> >
> > Bob
>
> But that part is optinal anyway. If you don't choose a sig file then
no sig
> is attached. I got tired of signing my name and copying my link all
of the
> time so I find the automatic insertion a very handy feature.
>
> --
> Ken Tyler
>
> See my 700+ Povray and 3D Rendering and Raytracing Links at:
> http://home.pacbell.net/tylereng/index.html

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To put this thread back on topic, and in case anyone hasn't looked for
a while or newcomers want to apply to have their location mapped, the
most recent incarnation of the world of pov-ray users is still at:

 http://members.aol.com/wrld0rigin/povwrldjpg.htm       (zero in
0rigin)

And to get to the latest list of "inhabitants" click on the title
there. To get to the submission page click on a globe anywhere but
North America, Europe or Australia regions. To see my beyond humble
homepage try my name/date, nothing to lose but your valuable time.

P.S. if you don't see 99.64 there, press Reload or refresh for your
browser. Thankyou again all.

Bob


Ken <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote in message
news:37B8B8DA.61954C11@pacbell.net...
>
>
> Bob Hughes wrote:
>
> > P.S. just the signature part alone is better, it will not place
into
> > replies if you don't want.
> >
> > Bob
>
> But that part is optinal anyway. If you don't choose a sig file then
no sig
> is attached. I got tired of signing my name and copying my link all
of the
> time so I find the automatic insertion a very handy feature.
>
> --
> Ken Tyler
>
> See my 700+ Povray and 3D Rendering and Raytracing Links at:
> http://home.pacbell.net/tylereng/index.html

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