http://members.aol.com/wrld0rigin/povwrldjpg.htm

Please try to click on either, or both, North America and/or Europe for closeup views.
If you click elsewhere on one of the faces of the world you will go to the coordinate
submission page. Clicking on the title will take you to a current list of people.
Keep in mind there has been no new additions, if you haven't sent your location in,
please think about doing so.

Thankyou.
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Bob wrote:
> 
> http://members.aol.com/wrld0rigin/povwrldjpg.htm
> 
> Please try to click on either, or both, North America and/or Europe for closeup
views.
> If you click elsewhere on one of the faces of the world you will go to the
coordinate
> submission page. Clicking on the title will take you to a current list of people.
> Keep in mind there has been no new additions, if you haven't sent your location in,
> please think about doing so.
> 
> Thankyou.
> Bob
> 

Well done Bob!

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Done well Bob for an old timer that is. Tee Hee

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On Thu, 24 Jun 1999 21:21:55 -0500, Bob <inv### [at] aolcom> wrote:

>http://members.aol.com/wrld0rigin/povwrldjpg.htm
>
>Please try to click on either, or both, North America and/or Europe for closeup
views.
>If you click elsewhere on one of the faces of the world you will go to the coordinate
>submission page. Clicking on the title will take you to a current list of people.
>Keep in mind there has been no new additions, if you haven't sent your location in,
>please think about doing so.
>
>Thankyou.
>Bob

Take a look at Europe. I can see myself! There, that's me! That
isolated, lonely, deserted dot in the lower right corner :~( 

I want a friend to play in the object {Sandbox finish {crand 0.75} }
with :~(

<hides in a corner and bursts in tears>


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Bob wrote in message <3772E7C3.74469EE9@aol.com>...
>http://members.aol.com/wrld0rigin/povwrldjpg.htm
>
>Please try to click on either, or both, North America and/or Europe for
closeup views.
>If you click elsewhere on one of the faces of the world you will go to the
coordinate
>submission page. Clicking on the title will take you to a current list of
people.
>Keep in mind there has been no new additions, if you haven't sent your
location in,
>please think about doing so.
>
>Thankyou.
>Bob


Wow, Three in south Africa. Who are the other two?
(I'm the one in JHB)

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And who's the Aussie in Perth? ;)

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Gail Shaw wrote in message <37739fe8@news.povray.org>...
>
>Bob wrote in message <3772E7C3.74469EE9@aol.com>...
>>http://members.aol.com/wrld0rigin/povwrldjpg.htm
>>
>
>Wow, Three in south Africa. Who are the other two?
>(I'm the one in JHB)
>
>Gail

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Lance Birch wrote:
> 
> And who's the Aussie in Perth? ;)
> 
> --
> Lance.
> 
> Gail Shaw wrote in message <37739fe8@news.povray.org>...

> >Wow, Three in south Africa. Who are the other two?
> >(I'm the one in JHB)
> >
> >Gail

To all,

  It is my understanding the Bob has intentionally omitted the association
between name and place for those who do not wish to disclose such information
publicly but wished to participate in the project. Therefore it would not be
polite to ask him to betray this trust.

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What about the lonely dot above Panama in Central America? Who's that poor
isolated fellow? Will he ever meet others like him? ...tune in next week for
another exciting expisode of "The Lone POVer"...

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Ken wrote:
> 
>   It is my understanding the Bob has intentionally omitted the association
> between name and place for those who do not wish to disclose such information
> publicly but wished to participate in the project. Therefore it would not be
> polite to ask him to betray this trust.

I took that to be an invitation to the person to please stand up, not a
request on Bob's part to tell us who the person is.

For the record, I'm the one in Madison, Wisconsin.

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> To all,
> 
>   It is my understanding the Bob has intentionally omitted the association
> between name and place for those who do not wish to disclose such information
> publicly but wished to participate in the project. Therefore it would not be
> polite to ask him to betray this trust.

On a related note: Bob, how about appending the list of names with
locations for those who don't mind. Or how about just a list of
coordinates for those interested in trying a pov map ourselves.

And now for something completely different. Any thoughts as to whether
this map accurately represents the use of internet technologies?

Speaking of which, what's up with the unexpected concentration around
Estonia and Finland?

And while I'm ranting away... regarding TonyB's post about the isolated
POVer, the most isolated seem to be our friends in Panama, Singapore and
what I can only guess to be Macapa.

I can't remember what my original reason to write this was, so I'll stop
now.

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On Fri, 25 Jun 1999 19:39:58 -0400, Chris Maryan <cma### [at] geocitiescom>
wrote:

>Speaking of which, what's up with the unexpected concentration around
>Estonia and Finland?

  There's something in the drinking water... ;)

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On Sat, 26 Jun 1999 4:27 AM, TonyB <mailto:ben### [at] panamaphoenixnet>
wrote:
>What about the lonely dot above Panama in Central America? Who's that poor
>isolated fellow? Will he ever meet others like him? ...tune in next week
for
>another exciting expisode of "The Lone POVer"...

Hmm

Anyone further south than me?

42deg 40min S, 147deg 20min E

Have Fun
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Bob wrote in message <3772E7C3.74469EE9@aol.com>...
>http://members.aol.com/wrld0rigin/povwrldjpg.htm
>
>Please try to click on either, or both, North America and/or Europe for
closeup views.
>If you click elsewhere on one of the faces of the world you will go to the
coordinate
>submission page. Clicking on the title will take you to a current list of
people.
>Keep in mind there has been no new additions, if you haven't sent your
location in,
>please think about doing so.


Who else is from the Detroit area?
Who is from Seattle?

Mark Wagner
from Novi
Originally from Renton

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Uh, say Mark, I think you are letting on about how you like the Southern Hemisphere
here; so much so that you sent in a latitude of 142 degrees and 40 minutes. That would
have put you back up north to -38 degrees instead of this 42 however ;)
I took the liberty of removing the 1 already, so you are set up to be rendered as
should
be. Much later today (6/26) that is.
6 new names added as of now, thanks all, and keep them coming.


Martin Crisp wrote:
> 
> Anyone further south than me?
> 
> 42deg 40min S, 147deg 20min E
> 

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I lived in Seattle area 15 years from 1970 to 1985 (my growing pain years), and all I
have to say is: Yuck! Sorry. I did like it in it's own way though, many fun and fond
memories. But sheesh, that drizzly grey sky stuff is terrible. I like the slightly
more
dynamic weather of my birthplace, Alabama, much better. Warmer with shorter winters,
and
not too drastically dynamic a clime at that.
Oh yeah, Renton eh? How about that Renton Loop? Had to cruise that as a teenager a
time
or three. My brother works at Boeing in Renton btw.


Mark Wagner wrote:
> 
> Who else is from the Detroit area?
> Who is from Seattle?
> 
> Mark Wagner
> from Novi
> Originally from Renton

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Hi Tony B. Are you implying my great world map is askew or some such thing? Heh-heh.
Panama is a rather thin bit of land afterall and you're marker might be more in the
Gulf
of Mexico than on dry land. Not sure. But if you are talking about the marker closest
to
yours to the north, well, that's Florida and somehow I doubt that person could be
lonely
at all there in such a densely populated state ;)
Oh, I get it. You're saying "above" as in over the Panama area of the map. Or YOU in
other words. Yeah, bet you are lonely, huh...? Just kidding!


TonyB wrote:
> 
> What about the lonely dot above Panama in Central America? Who's that poor
> isolated fellow? Will he ever meet others like him? ...tune in next week for
> another exciting expisode of "The Lone POVer"...
> 
> --
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> http://welcome.to/TonyB
> 
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No, you're not seeing things. That's two (yes, 2) close neighbors of yours in Ottawa.
About the listing of persons and related info: despite some people willing to share
their info I can't see it as feasible. Many did not leave email addresses for one
thing.
I've thought this same thing over several times with the conclusion it is too messy a
proposition as is. It would either (1.) require a resubmittal/contact by all or (2.)
only be partial info for sending out/posting. The prime importance would be the
acquisition of everyones permission to redistribute. If I had the forethought to do so
I
would have asked also for the right to hand over all of it to anyone else and I did
not.
Sending it out to everyone with a supplied email address isn't totally out of the
question I would think, I just hate the idea of trying that since part of the reason
some people may have participated to begin with was due to a single person (me) being
sole caretaker of their information. I could be completely wrong, but hey like I say,
there isn't a reasonable way to find out or unless a partial set were to be done (or
redone, as the case may be) and I'm not really doing any more than gathering and
updating. Sorry folks, the main reason I'm putting it this way is due to other things
I've heard about people not wanting their personal info spread around, plus the fact
it
would be another task to start sorting in a way altogether different from the current
one.
The concept of internet technology demographics and the plotting on this particular
map
is a interesting one. To me only some places make sense and others do not. Not only
that, but the oddity (irony?) of some clusters of people very close to each other is
moreso fascinating. We would probably have to see the exact cultural settings to make
a
judgement. In my particular instance there are 3 locales plotted nearly in the same
place (including myself) and it is a region where the NASA space program, among other
such high-tech things, are occupants also of this area. Yet I do not have any ability
to
say a similar thing of other places.

Guess what... No. Okay, I'll tell you then. That Macapa, Brazil marker is an error.
Now
talk about a lonely poor sole, non-existant even!
Thankyou Chris M. for causing me to look it up. Turns out I had mistakenly switched
the
latitude and longitude numbers for London, England. *blush* I am so ashamed! I would
never have realized that if you hadn't brought it up and there was no email address of
the person it concerned, so sorry to you too, Londoner. Where ever you are J. W.,
there
isn't another person besides you in London, yet). Luckily it appears to be shown
already
marked (not really, just close by).


Chris Maryan wrote:
> 
> On a related note: Bob, how about appending the list of names with
> locations for those who don't mind. Or how about just a list of
> coordinates for those interested in trying a pov map ourselves.
> 
> And now for something completely different. Any thoughts as to whether
> this map accurately represents the use of internet technologies?
> 
> Speaking of which, what's up with the unexpected concentration around
> Estonia and Finland?
> 
> And while I'm ranting away... regarding TonyB's post about the isolated
> POVer, the most isolated seem to be our friends in Panama, Singapore and
> what I can only guess to be Macapa.
> 
> I can't remember what my original reason to write this was, so I'll stop
> now.
> 
> --
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> double dot or am I just seeing things)
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Yes, good point. Ask away of anyone, anyhow, I just don't dare start throwing email
addresses around like confetti.

Somerville, AL here btw ;)


Mark Gordon wrote:
> 
> Ken wrote:
> >
> >   It is my understanding the Bob has intentionally omitted the association
> > between name and place for those who do not wish to disclose such information
> > publicly but wished to participate in the project. Therefore it would not be
> > polite to ask him to betray this trust.
> 
> I took that to be an invitation to the person to please stand up, not a
> request on Bob's part to tell us who the person is.
> 
> For the record, I'm the one in Madison, Wisconsin.
> 
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Mark Wagner wrote:
 
> Who else is from the Detroit area?
> Who is from Seattle?
> Mark Wagner

My sister-in-law lives just outside Detroit in Flint and my brother
lives just outside Seattle in Redmond. Does that count ? Probably
not since neither one uses the program but you asked.

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Thank you Ken T., it does make much sense not to begin listing people and places even
here I believe and you spoke for me well.
I know who the "Aussie" is in Perth. Only problem is I found there to be a
impersonator
there as well. Namely the same person apparently. I had a integer number set of
coordinates along with a decimal precision set. No more ghosting in the next update.
Thanks to you Lance B. another error discovered. Gosh, I am beginning to wonder how
many
mistakes are present now. Not to worry though, I have reason to believe there is about
99.9% accuracy for now, plus or minus 1%  ;)


Ken wrote:
> 
> Lance Birch wrote:
> >
> > And who's the Aussie in Perth? ;)
> >
> > --
> > Lance.
> >
> > Gail Shaw wrote in message <37739fe8@news.povray.org>...
> 
> > >Wow, Three in south Africa. Who are the other two?
> > >(I'm the one in JHB)
> > >
> > >Gail
> 
> To all,
> 
>   It is my understanding the Bob has intentionally omitted the association
> between name and place for those who do not wish to disclose such information
> publicly but wished to participate in the project. Therefore it would not be
> polite to ask him to betray this trust.
> 
> --
> Ken Tyler
> 
> mailto://tylereng@pacbell.net

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I am in lower Michigan, but didn't get the coordinates for the map. I am
right next to the MI-IN state line.(About 1/2 mile from it, in fact. So
close that we run on Indiana time instead of Michigan time.)

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Bob <inv### [at] aolcom> wrote in message news:3772E7C3.74469EE9@aol.com...
> http://members.aol.com/wrld0rigin/povwrldjpg.htm
<snip>

Great map - nice one :)

Though (heh, there's always one, sorry ;)
..the European map entries seem a little out of place?  There doesn't seem
to be that many in, for example, the south-east of England (one of the most
densely populated areas - including London, as well as where I live [and
submitted]) doesn't seem to have anyone.  There does appear, however, to be
at least a couple of people living 70 or so miles out at sea... one off the
coast of Wales and another the coast of Ireland.

Now if the locations (for the UK at least) where shifted a little east and
south - then not only would these people reach dry land again, but the
south-east would look a bit more populated.  OK.. I know there population
density doesn't necessarily have anything to do with where POV users
"should" be.. but it just seemed to make a bit more sense when combined with
the sea-people problem :)

OK.. so maybe I'm just being pedantic - either way, still a very well made
and interesting map Bob :)


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What about links to their website, if they have one and wan't to, when you
click on theyr dot
and by the way are theyr to dots in Berlin,Germany ? you can put me there to
if you wan't.

greetings Lars
http://www.snafu.de/~lars.wolter


Bob <inv### [at] aolcom> schrieb in im Newsbeitrag:
3772E7C3.74469EE9@aol.com...
> http://members.aol.com/wrld0rigin/povwrldjpg.htm
>
> Please try to click on either, or both, North America and/or Europe for
closeup views.
> If you click elsewhere on one of the faces of the world you will go to the
coordinate
> submission page. Clicking on the title will take you to a current list of
people.
> Keep in mind there has been no new additions, if you haven't sent your
location in,
> please think about doing so.
>
> Thankyou.
> Bob
>
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I'm in Southfield.  If you go find the original thread that led up to this,
I think you'll find the other MI person.

-Nathan

Mark Wagner wrote:
> 
> Who else is from the Detroit area?
> Who is from Seattle?
> 
> Mark Wagner
> from Novi
> Originally from Renton

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Yes, that's exactly how I meant it... sorry for the confusion, I thought it
was obvious.

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>Ken wrote:
>>
>>   It is my understanding the Bob has intentionally omitted the
association
>> between name and place for those who do not wish to disclose such
information
>> publicly but wished to participate in the project. Therefore it would not
be
>> polite to ask him to betray this trust.
>
>I took that to be an invitation to the person to please stand up, not a
>request on Bob's part to tell us who the person is.
>
>For the record, I'm the one in Madison, Wisconsin.
>
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>Thanks to you Lance B. another error discovered.

*takes a bow*

OK I'll shut up and go back to my designing...

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On Sat, 26 Jun 1999 05:18:33 -0500, Chris Huff
<Chr### [at] compuservecom> wrote:

>I am in lower Michigan, but didn't get the coordinates for the map. I am
>right next to the MI-IN state line.(About 1/2 mile from it, in fact. So
>close that we run on Indiana time instead of Michigan time.)

Where?  I grew up just ten miles the other side of that line.  I now
live a tad further south, in Fort Wayne.  By the way, that doesn't
show up so well on the map.  I know we're not THAT far south.
41 degrees, 9 minutes north, 85 degrees, 9 minutes west.

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I have a Union address, but don't actually live IN Union. And Union is
small, probably be better to look for Elkhart, IN.

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Chris Maryan wrote:

> And while I'm ranting away... regarding TonyB's post about the isolated
> POVer, the most isolated seem to be our friends in Panama, Singapore and
> what I can only guess to be Macapa.
>

What about Alaska, it only has one that wants to show themselves.
Mr. Art

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On Sat, 26 Jun 1999 02:59:20 -0500, Bob <inv### [at] aolcom> wrote:

[snip]
>Guess what... No. Okay, I'll tell you then. That Macapa, Brazil marker is an error.
Now
>talk about a lonely poor sole, non-existant even!
>Thankyou Chris M. for causing me to look it up. Turns out I had mistakenly switched
the
>latitude and longitude numbers for London, England. *blush* I am so ashamed! I would
>never have realized that if you hadn't brought it up and there was no email address
of
>the person it concerned, so sorry to you too, Londoner. Where ever you are J. W.,
there
>isn't another person besides you in London, yet). Luckily it appears to be shown
already
>marked (not really, just close by).
>
>
Well I'm pretty close to J.W. - if I could but figure out what my
co-ordinates are.


Cheers,

Cliff Bowman
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http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dimension/7855/
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I see that you did. Thanks for finding them (the lat/lon).


Cliff Bowman wrote:
> 
> Well I'm pretty close to J.W. - if I could but figure out what my
> co-ordinates are.
>

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Yep, and very near the edge of the globe as shown in the map too. I tend to think of
the
New Zealanders when I see you way out there.
Thanks for sending your lat/lon btw, I had used Anchorages' itself before now.


Arthur Flint wrote:
> 
> Chris Maryan wrote:
> 
> > And while I'm ranting away... regarding TonyB's post about the isolated
> > POVer, the most isolated seem to be our friends in Panama, Singapore and
> > what I can only guess to be Macapa.
> >
> 
> What about Alaska, it only has one that wants to show themselves.
> Mr. Art

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Thanks Matthew, I've known of the oddity about those British Isles for some time now,
like since I used this latest Earth image, which is the strange thing about it. I
couldn't use the image as is when I first applied it, way off from what the supposed
mathematically correct latitudes and longitudes were showing. So there has been some
additional area (over ocean) added to improve upon the original. I don't know why
there
was ever any problem at all since I had thought the Earth image was a direct
representation of the real globe. Anyhow, all else appears to be aligning fairly well,
but England? It's like a terrible earthquake has shifted it toward the continent. I
haven't a good fix for this yet, I hate to think the coordinate numbers need a
subtraction by more than a degree and even worse the prospect of cut & pasting Great
Britain. Not a thing I like to do, playing god.
On this subject, anyone else seeing a significant shift in their map positions from
the
real?


Matthew Bennett wrote:
> 
> Great map - nice one :)
> 
> Though (heh, there's always one, sorry ;)
> ..the European map entries seem a little out of place?  There doesn't seem
> to be that many in, for example, the south-east of England (one of the most
> densely populated areas - including London, as well as where I live [and
> submitted]) doesn't seem to have anyone.  There does appear, however, to be
> at least a couple of people living 70 or so miles out at sea... one off the
> coast of Wales and another the coast of Ireland.
> 
> Now if the locations (for the UK at least) where shifted a little east and
> south - then not only would these people reach dry land again, but the
> south-east would look a bit more populated.  OK.. I know there population
> density doesn't necessarily have anything to do with where POV users
> "should" be.. but it just seemed to make a bit more sense when combined with
> the sea-people problem :)
> 
> OK.. so maybe I'm just being pedantic - either way, still a very well made
> and interesting map Bob :)
> 
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That would be a great thing, yes. The fact of overlapping dots as you pointed out
would
prevent a simple way to do that however, and I'm into simplistic things. The other
aspect is the resubmission concept which I don't see happening, but not altogether out
of the question. Same for the idea of sending the whole setup out to others, just that
why would two of these make sense seeing as how they would only begin to diverge with
any continuation of people joining in to separate maps.
Consider yourself added to the "inhabitants", complete with another dot on top of the
existing Berlin one.


"Lars W." wrote:
> 
> What about links to their website, if they have one and wan't to, when you
> click on theyr dot
> and by the way are theyr to dots in Berlin,Germany ? you can put me there to
> if you wan't.
> 
> greetings Lars
> http://www.snafu.de/~lars.wolter
> 
> Bob <inv### [at] aolcom> schrieb in im Newsbeitrag:
> 3772E7C3.74469EE9@aol.com...
> > http://members.aol.com/wrld0rigin/povwrldjpg.htm
> >
> > Please try to click on either, or both, North America and/or Europe for
> closeup views.
> > If you click elsewhere on one of the faces of the world you will go to the
> coordinate
> > submission page. Clicking on the title will take you to a current list of
> people.
> > Keep in mind there has been no new additions, if you haven't sent your
> location in,
> > please think about doing so.
> >
> > Thankyou.
> > Bob
> >
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My mistake. Ottawa is the marker you see NE of Toronto (or those double dots) and
there
are actually two markers there as I had said, so that is true anyway. Those two close
markers near or at Toronto is a mystery. I have searched this thing out and found
nothing to explain the second one. The other is Mississauga and should be correct.
Only
other marker position that comes close would be Buffalo New York, south of Lake
Ontario.


Bob wrote:
> 
> No, you're not seeing things. That's two (yes, 2) close neighbors of yours in
Ottawa.
> About the listing of persons and related info: despite some people willing to share
> their info I can't see it as feasible. Many did not leave email addresses for one
thing.
> I've thought this same thing over several times with the conclusion it is too messy
a
> proposition as is. It would either (1.) require a resubmittal/contact by all or (2.)
> only be partial info for sending out/posting. The prime importance would be the
> acquisition of everyones permission to redistribute. If I had the forethought to do
so I
> would have asked also for the right to hand over all of it to anyone else and I did
not.
> Sending it out to everyone with a supplied email address isn't totally out of the
> question I would think, I just hate the idea of trying that since part of the reason
> some people may have participated to begin with was due to a single person (me)
being
> sole caretaker of their information. I could be completely wrong, but hey like I
say,
> there isn't a reasonable way to find out or unless a partial set were to be done (or
> redone, as the case may be) and I'm not really doing any more than gathering and
> updating. Sorry folks, the main reason I'm putting it this way is due to other
things
> I've heard about people not wanting their personal info spread around, plus the fact
it
> would be another task to start sorting in a way altogether different from the
current
> one.
> The concept of internet technology demographics and the plotting on this particular
map
> is a interesting one. To me only some places make sense and others do not. Not only
> that, but the oddity (irony?) of some clusters of people very close to each other is
> moreso fascinating. We would probably have to see the exact cultural settings to
make a
> judgement. In my particular instance there are 3 locales plotted nearly in the same
> place (including myself) and it is a region where the NASA space program, among
other
> such high-tech things, are occupants also of this area. Yet I do not have any
ability to
> say a similar thing of other places.
> 
> Guess what... No. Okay, I'll tell you then. That Macapa, Brazil marker is an error.
Now
> talk about a lonely poor sole, non-existant even!
> Thankyou Chris M. for causing me to look it up. Turns out I had mistakenly switched
the
> latitude and longitude numbers for London, England. *blush* I am so ashamed! I would
> never have realized that if you hadn't brought it up and there was no email address
of
> the person it concerned, so sorry to you too, Londoner. Where ever you are J. W.,
there
> isn't another person besides you in London, yet). Luckily it appears to be shown
already
> marked (not really, just close by).
> 
> Chris Maryan wrote:
> >
> > On a related note: Bob, how about appending the list of names with
> > locations for those who don't mind. Or how about just a list of
> > coordinates for those interested in trying a pov map ourselves.
> >
> > And now for something completely different. Any thoughts as to whether
> > this map accurately represents the use of internet technologies?
> >
> > Speaking of which, what's up with the unexpected concentration around
> > Estonia and Finland?
> >
> > And while I'm ranting away... regarding TonyB's post about the isolated
> > POVer, the most isolated seem to be our friends in Panama, Singapore and
> > what I can only guess to be Macapa.
> >
> > I can't remember what my original reason to write this was, so I'll stop
> > now.
> >
> > --
> > Chris Maryan (The dot on the north shore of L. Ontario... is that a
> > double dot or am I just seeing things)
> > mailto:cma### [at] geocitiescom
> > ***
> > Will work for cash.
> > ***
> > Email me if you are interested in donating
> > to the Chris Maryan needs money fund.
> > We will also accept donations to the Chris
> > needs a Pentium III or SGI workstation
> > fund and the Chris needs a car fund.
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Chris Maryan wrote:
>
> Speaking of which, what's up with the unexpected concentration around
> Estonia and Finland?
> 

Why unexpected? That's THE CENTRE :)

Margus

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I find myself my fellow Estonian POVers peacefully floating in the Baltic Sea,
halfway between Tallinn and Helsinki. I'm not complaining - it's nice and warm.
Just get me out of there before autumn :)

Margus

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I can always try (to get you out of those icey winter waters), however it's a hit and
miss problem. If I add or subtract to that Earth image, for the spherical 'image_map',
it tends to throw other places off. I wish I knew what accuracy it was meant to have,
obviously not the choice for cartographers. As I've said, the math of the POV-Ray
coordinates really shouldn't be off, at least by any observable amount I should think.


Margus Ramst wrote:
> 
> I find myself my fellow Estonian POVers peacefully floating in the Baltic Sea,
> halfway between Tallinn and Helsinki. I'm not complaining - it's nice and warm.
> Just get me out of there before autumn :)
> 
> Margus

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On Sun, 27 Jun 1999 00:41:54 -0500, Bob <inv### [at] aolcom> wrote:

>I see that you did. Thanks for finding them (the lat/lon).
>
>
No problem. It was quite fun searching around for it actually :)

As for who appears to be just off the west coast of Ireland - I pity
the weather they must have :)


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On Sun, 27 Jun 1999 01:03:25 -0500, Bob <inv### [at] aolcom> wrote:

[snip]
> Anyhow, all else appears to be aligning fairly well,
>but England? It's like a terrible earthquake has shifted it toward the continent. I
>haven't a good fix for this yet, I hate to think the coordinate numbers need a
>subtraction by more than a degree and even worse the prospect of cut & pasting Great
>Britain. Not a thing I like to do, playing god.


If you do have to resort to moving the UK - could you move us somewhat
south? I know the weather's pretty good here at the moment, but we
could do with a warmer average <g>


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No biggie. Besides, I believe there are a few tiny islands around there. So you
needn't bother about it.

Margus

Bob wrote:
> 
> I can always try (to get you out of those icey winter waters), however it's a hit
and
> miss problem. If I add or subtract to that Earth image, for the spherical
'image_map',
> it tends to throw other places off. I wish I knew what accuracy it was meant to
have,
> obviously not the choice for cartographers. As I've said, the math of the POV-Ray
> coordinates really shouldn't be off, at least by any observable amount I should
think.
>

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On Sun, 27 Jun 1999 16:38:22 -0500, Bob <inv### [at] aolcom> wrote:

>I can always try (to get you out of those icey winter waters), however it's a hit and
>miss problem. If I add or subtract to that Earth image, for the spherical
'image_map',
>it tends to throw other places off. I wish I knew what accuracy it was meant to have,
>obviously not the choice for cartographers. As I've said, the math of the POV-Ray
>coordinates really shouldn't be off, at least by any observable amount I should
think.

Have you considered that Earth is actually not a perfect sphere but is
a little squished along the axis of rotation? It's shaped as a geoide
(sp?) which makes perfect sense as this word means "looking like
Earth" :)


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Cliff Bowman <who### [at] spamcitycom> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 27 Jun 1999 01:03:25 -0500, Bob <inv### [at] aolcom> wrote:
>
> [snip]
> > Anyhow, all else appears to be aligning fairly well,
> >but England? It's like a terrible earthquake has shifted it toward the
continent. I
> >haven't a good fix for this yet, I hate to think the coordinate numbers
need a
> >subtraction by more than a degree and even worse the prospect of cut &
pasting Great
> >Britain. Not a thing I like to do, playing god.
>
>
> If you do have to resort to moving the UK - could you move us somewhat
> south? I know the weather's pretty good here at the moment, but we
> could do with a warmer average <g>

Yeah, and airbrush out any clouds.
In fact, you could airbrush out Milton Keynes while you're at it :P

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>Uh, say Mark, I think you are letting on about how you like the
Southern Hemisphere
>here; so much so that you sent in a latitude of 142 degrees and 40
minutes. That would
>have put you back up north to -38 degrees instead of this 42 however ;)

Doh, thanks Barry, erm Bob. (Sorry, but a typo is better than Mark vs
Martin :-))

Maybe this is why I keep getting angles of rotation fouled up...

>I took the liberty of removing the 1 already, so you are set up to be
rendered as should
>be. Much later today (6/26) that is.

Thanks for correcting my abject stupidity.

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Bob wrote in message <3774772F.78A9F9FC@aol.com>...
>Uh, say Mark, I think you are letting on about how you like the
Southern Hemisphere
>here; so much so that you sent in a latitude of 142 degrees and 40
minutes. That would

>Martin Crisp wrote:
>>
>> Anyone further south than me?
>>
>> 42deg 40min S, 147deg 20min E

Umm, is that me sitting off the West coast of Tasmania? (Should be in
the SE corner - point would be centred slightly more than 1 marker
diameter further south, and slightly right of the marker that's in
Melbourne...)

What did I submit for longditude (given I submitted a different latitude
to what I typed above...)?

Just had a look at a higher resolution map...1:25,000 (rather than the
Readers Digest World Map) :-)
42deg 50min (about 30sec) S
147deg 17min (about 5sec) E

Or am I now being picky? (Don't get me wrong, looks great!)

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Bob <inv### [at] aolcom> wrote in message news:3772E7C3.74469EE9@aol.com...
> http://members.aol.com/wrld0rigin/povwrldjpg.htm
>

    I think you ought to check on the alignment of the image map you're
using.

    At first I thought I'd been missed, checked you list, and sure enough,
I'm on there.
    But where ? Let me tell you none of the spots on the UK are over
Cambridge (where I am).
    Then I noticed those two spots that seem to be floating in the sea.

    Could it be that you're image map is shifted a couple of degrees to the
east ? (or that the spots are shifted a couple of degrees west). That would
explain the spots off the west coasts of Wales & Ireland and correcting it
would put one of the spots roughly over Cambridge !

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You will have email from me soon. But yes, I've noticed aligment
troubles from the beginning, it comes down to the image_map used mostly,
along with possible inaccuracies of lat/lon coordinate submissions. Some
are just city or town names, the East West or South North
positive/negative is most important when sent in. Luckily everyone
states their placename as well, usually.

 http://members.aol.com/wrld0rigin/uk.htm

Have a look at this latest one please, anyone who is there in the UK and
surrounding region (a few minutes from time of this message post).

Bob

Scott Hill wrote:
> 
> Bob <inv### [at] aolcom> wrote in message news:3772E7C3.74469EE9@aol.com...
> > http://members.aol.com/wrld0rigin/povwrldjpg.htm
> >
> 
>     I think you ought to check on the alignment of the image map you're
> using.
> 
>     At first I thought I'd been missed, checked you list, and sure enough,
> I'm on there.
>     But where ? Let me tell you none of the spots on the UK are over
> Cambridge (where I am).
>     Then I noticed those two spots that seem to be floating in the sea.
> 
>     Could it be that you're image map is shifted a couple of degrees to the
> east ? (or that the spots are shifted a couple of degrees west). That would
> explain the spots off the west coasts of Wales & Ireland and correcting it
> would put one of the spots roughly over Cambridge !
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On Wed, 21 Jul 1999 06:18:18 -0500, Bob Hughes <inv### [at] aolcom>
wrote:
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> http://members.aol.com/wrld0rigin/uk.htm
>
>Have a look at this latest one please, anyone who is there in the UK and
>surrounding region (a few minutes from time of this message post).
>
Looking good - there's the anticipated cluster around London
(apparently not much actually IN London though - Odd).


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There are two "in" London overlapping, one is without lat/lon so only
placed with the other London position. I think I might offset it
slightly now that the closeup shows it better.

> Looking good - there's the anticipated cluster around London
> (apparently not much actually IN London though - Odd).
> 

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Therein lies one of the biggest problems with The Earth IMHO - it's
bigger than it often seems.

>There are two "in" London overlapping, one is without lat/lon so only
>placed with the other London position. I think I might offset it
>slightly now that the closeup shows it better.
>
>> Looking good - there's the anticipated cluster around London
>> (apparently not much actually IN London though - Odd).
>> 
>

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