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"somebody" <x### [at] y com> wrote in message news:49abfc3f$1@news.povray.org...
> Wouldn't that be "pre alpha"? 1.0 is likely a year away.
>
As somebody says it's only a Pre-Alpha. There's a release roadmap at
http://makehuman.wiki.sourceforge.net/Release_RoadMap which places the full
release about 8 months away. On the other hand, as Greg pointed out, the
POV-Ray export already works and should enable you to use new features as
they get rolled out. The main one IMO being the ability to pose figures
which is currently timetabled for May.
I've been using the POV-Ray export to help with the documentation and used
it to generate the body part browser here:
http://makehuman.sourceforge.net/FaceGroups/BodyBrowser.html and the
ethnicity turntable tool here:
http://makehuman.sourceforge.net/Ethnic_Groups/ethnicity.html?GroupName=Pigmy,Khiosan.
I'm still enhancing the POV-Ray export functionality, so if anyone has any
spiffing ideas, or wants to help, let me know.
Regards,
Chris B.
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"Chris B" <nom### [at] nomailcom> wrote:
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> As somebody says it's only a Pre-Alpha.
> ...
> I'm still enhancing the POV-Ray export functionality, so if anyone has any
> spiffing ideas, or wants to help, let me know.
>
Okay, from my ignorance, I was imagining the next step in pre-alpha-hood would
have a name of 1.0.1. Thus, 1.0.0 is here.
Here are two more examples of what you can do now with the software:
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"Chris B" <nom### [at] nomailcom> wrote:
> I'm still enhancing the POV-Ray export functionality, so if anyone has any
> spiffing ideas, or wants to help, let me know.
>
Here's a view of the X-ray texturing option from the povray export. It's really
cool. I'm assuming the diamond-shaped artifacts are patches with their normals
flipped? Is that in makehuman itself or the generated pov export?
Chris, I have a question about the way it handles weight. Right now, all it
does is create grotesque folds of fat around the belly. In actual humans,
there are other parts of the body that get rounder, jollier, and
more-interesting-looking as one's weight increases. I had a very brief
conversation with the project lead guy at the mh forum. Would it provide any
help at all to get the mesh and ask a community (like blenderforums) to
collaborate on making more jolly-looking heavy people? From what you know of
the project, would it actually be a needed help, or just antagonize folks, or
be hopelessly impractical due to IP or file format issues?
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Hi. I was looking at the makehumanhair.inc. Some of the text suggests that
this include itself will make hair, but I thought I saw hair development being
on the roadmap for mh itself.
Can you help me understand?
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"gregjohn" <pte### [at] yahoocom> wrote in message
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> "Chris B" <nom### [at] nomailcom> wrote:
>> I'm still enhancing the POV-Ray export functionality, so if anyone has
>> any
>> spiffing ideas, or wants to help, let me know.
>>
>
> Here's a view of the X-ray texturing option from the povray export. It's
> really
> cool. I'm assuming the diamond-shaped artifacts are patches with their
> normals
> flipped? Is that in makehuman itself or the generated pov export?
No. The exported mesh normals are fine. These diamond shaped markers are
inside the humanoid object and indicate the positions of the joints. You can
optionally generate an image without these markers by using the accompany
groupings file. Adding the following two lines to example 4 (before
generating the mesh2) tells the macro to just use the anatomical face
groups, which is basically everything but these markers.
#include "makehuman_groupings.inc"
#declare MakeHuman_SelectedGroups = MakeHuman_WholeAnatomyGroup;
> Chris, I have a question about the way it handles weight. Right now, all
> it
> does is create grotesque folds of fat around the belly. In actual humans,
> there are other parts of the body that get rounder, jollier, and
> more-interesting-looking as one's weight increases.
There are separate tools/controls for the fatness/portliness and for the
muscularity/fitness. At the moment the muscularity deformations do seem to
get a little overwhelmed by the fatness deformations. That sort of feedback
on the application though is probably best channlled directly through the MH
forums.
> I had a very brief
> conversation with the project lead guy at the mh forum. Would it provide
> any
> help at all to get the mesh and ask a community (like blenderforums) to
> collaborate on making more jolly-looking heavy people?
I believe that the artists modelling the ethnicity, age, gender, muscularity
and portliness morph targets are largely drawn from the Blender community.
The Blender modelling involves deforming elements of the mesh in a
consistent manner (without altering the mesh topology) so that the different
deformations can be cleanly combined within the MH application.
> From what you know of
> the project, would it actually be a needed help, or just antagonize folks,
> or
> be hopelessly impractical due to IP or file format issues?
I think the project lead is always looking for new Blender artists with
appropriate credentials to assist with developing the large number of morph
target groups required. It's a bit of a balancing act though as it takes a
while for experienced MH artists to bring new artists up to speed on the
techniques and constraints involved. New artists need to be quite committed
and diligent otherwise the time lost by the experienced artists outweighs
the gains.
I don't think there are any particular Intellectual Property issues as the
licensing is very liberal. The current team of artists is regularly
exchanging meshes and morph targets between MH and Blender. The process
involves using Blender scripts to generate and validate the morph target
files. The most important thing is to make sure that any such work is
coordinated through the project lead to avoid duplication of effort and to
make sure that all effort is invested in a way that can be efficiently
integrated back into the project.
Regards,
Chris B.
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"gregjohn" <pte### [at] yahoocom> wrote in message
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> Hi. I was looking at the makehumanhair.inc. Some of the text suggests
> that
> this include itself will make hair, but I thought I saw hair development
> being
> on the roadmap for mh itself.
>
> Can you help me understand?
>
Yes. Correct on both counts.
Some sort of hair is planned for MakeHuman, though I haven't yet seen
anything indicating which approach will be taken for implementing that.
The POV-Ray export incorporates a groupings file that enables you to
separately identify various parts of the anatomy by name and to generate
separate meshes. This is a generic approach that should enable clothing and
other props generated in POV-Ray to be fitted to the MH figure. One example
that I've been playing with to explore this possibility is the hairline. At
the bottom of the makehuman_groupings.inc file I've created a distinct group
of mesh elements that cover the parts of the top back and sides of the head
that hair normally grows out of. POV-Ray users can do the same in a scene
file to add their own groupings.
The makehuman_hair.inc file contains a macro to generate a mesh from this
group of elements and cuts bits away with CSG to leave a clean hairline
shaped object from which hairs can be grown. I'll probably leave this in
the MakeHuman export as it serves as an example of how to manipulate
separate components of the generated model, including using the 'skeleton'
to determine the location and orientation of body parts.
I have an old hair growth macro that tracks individual hairs, following the
contours of an anatomy and responding to gravity. If I can get it to work
properly with the generated mesh objects then my plan is to load it onto the
Object Collection so that it can be used in conjunction with any generated
MakeHuman models. This may be rendered a little redundant if the MH hair
solution is really good, but might still give POV-Ray users some interesting
options. For example it should work with any body part (hands, face etc.),
whereas I suspect that the MakeHuman hair generator is likely (at least in
the early releases) to only work with the head.
Regards,
Chris B.
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Looks like someone put the slider halfway between "male" and "female."
Regards,
John
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"Chris B" <nom### [at] nomailcom> schreef in bericht
news:49ad0a9e$1@news.povray.org...
>
> I have an old hair growth macro that tracks individual hairs, following
> the contours of an anatomy and responding to gravity. If I can get it to
> work properly with the generated mesh objects then my plan is to load it
> onto the Object Collection so that it can be used in conjunction with any
> generated MakeHuman models. This may be rendered a little redundant if the
> MH hair solution is really good, but might still give POV-Ray users some
> interesting options. For example it should work with any body part (hands,
> face etc.), whereas I suspect that the MakeHuman hair generator is likely
> (at least in the early releases) to only work with the head.
>
If that could also work with Poser figures exported to POV, that would be
very interesting. My guess is that it should work.
Thomas
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"Thomas de Groot" <tDOTdegroot@interDOTnlANOTHERDOTnet> wrote in message
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> "Chris B" <nom### [at] nomailcom> schreef in bericht
> news:49ad0a9e$1@news.povray.org...
>>
>> I have an old hair growth macro that tracks individual hairs, following
>> the contours of an anatomy and responding to gravity.
>
> If that could also work with Poser figures exported to POV, that would be
> very interesting. My guess is that it should work.
>
I think you'd get a problem with figures exported from Poser, because I
think you just get a mesh object. So working out where the various relevant
bits are positioned and how they are oriented, so that you can use a POV-Ray
macro to grow hair out of particular parts of the mesh, is probably very
tricky.
Regards,
Chris B.
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"Chris B" <nom### [at] nomailcom> schreef in bericht
news:49ad3410$1@news.povray.org...
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> "Thomas de Groot" <tDOTdegroot@interDOTnlANOTHERDOTnet> wrote in message
> news:49ad2eb5$1@news.povray.org...
>>
>> "Chris B" <nom### [at] nomailcom> schreef in bericht
>> news:49ad0a9e$1@news.povray.org...
>>>
>>> I have an old hair growth macro that tracks individual hairs, following
>>> the contours of an anatomy and responding to gravity.
>>
>> If that could also work with Poser figures exported to POV, that would be
>> very interesting. My guess is that it should work.
>>
>
> I think you'd get a problem with figures exported from Poser, because I
> think you just get a mesh object. So working out where the various
> relevant bits are positioned and how they are oriented, so that you can
> use a POV-Ray macro to grow hair out of particular parts of the mesh, is
> probably very tricky.
>
What if you already have the (dynamic) hairs from Poser available, and
exported as lines by Poseray? Would that help?
Thomas
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