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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Io
Date: 31 Jan 2007 06:10:00
Message: <web.45c07846fa3b26c2f1cb1e660@news.povray.org>
"Bill Pragnell" <bil### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> My thoughts on Clarke:
>
>
> Clarke's earlier stuff tends to be better ('A Fall Of Moondust', although
> outdated, is great!), and I think some of his collaborative novels are
> good, especially the recent ones, because his co-authors appear to handle
> the nitty-gritty of characters while Clarke (presumably, I'm only guessing
> really) puts more into ideas and storyline. The Trigger and Richter 10 are
> quite readable.




typical of the era i.e. good enough for children. No characterization and
women are just plot devices.

> As to my scene, I think I'm going to try to build the 'Discovery' and use
> the crew section as the CGSphere centre...

I look forward to seeing that.


Stephen


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From: Trevor G Quayle
Subject: Re: Io
Date: 31 Jan 2007 08:35:01
Message: <web.45c099e9fa3b26c2c150d4c10@news.povray.org>
"Bill Pragnell" <bil### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> "Gail Shaw" <initialsurname@sentech sa dot com> wrote:
> > I like. Is the grid an image map?
>
> Well, I thought it was, but closer inspection of Trevor Quayle's CGSphere
> template reveals it to be a UV-mapped pigment map. Which is nice, 'cos
> that's much easier to modify than an image map. The CGSphere.com zip file
> still contains an unused 'grid.tga' though, which confused me.
>

They told me they wanted to keep it in for consistency even though it wasn't
used.

> > For some reason, I've always imagined it shiny.
> Well, I think it was given a sort of sheen in the movies so people would
> know what they were looking at. One of their very few unrealisms, actually
> - I think 2001 and 2010 must be unique in movie SF to convincingly convey
> the total, lonely silence of space. The only sound effects are engines
> roaring, which you'd hear through your spacecraft superstructure anyway,
> and the claustrophobic gasping of panicky American NASA engineers as they
> space-walk with their brown trousers on.
>
> Bill

What?!?! You mean space isn't filled with Aerosmith tunes cranked up to 11?

-tgq


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From: Bill Pragnell
Subject: Re: Io
Date: 31 Jan 2007 09:15:01
Message: <web.45c0a423fa3b26c2731f01d10@news.povray.org>
"Trevor G Quayle" <Tin### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> What?!?! You mean space isn't filled with Aerosmith tunes cranked up to 11?

He he, that movie probably has a higher inaccuracy count than any I've ever
seen... although the meteor strike that gets Paris is very believable.

The one that always makes me laugh is when asteroids make a muted rumbling
noise as they go past the camera.


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Io
Date: 31 Jan 2007 10:32:40
Message: <45c0b698@news.povray.org>
"Stephen" <mcavoysATaolDOTcom@> schreef in bericht 
news:csbvr21nu3l420uu17k36k3b8rmbb9js1j@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 12:07:57 -0800, Ben Chambers <ben### [at] pacificwebguycom> 
> wrote:
>
>>They were all written by Arthur C. Clarke.
>
> The short story "The sentinel" haunted me for years until 2001 was made.
>

Ah yes! "The sentinel"! In a way, I prefer that story to 2001 itself.

Thomas


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From: Gail Shaw
Subject: Re: Io
Date: 31 Jan 2007 11:18:52
Message: <45c0c16c@news.povray.org>
"Bill Pragnell" <bil### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in message
news:web.45c0774efa3b26c2731f01d10@news.povray.org...
> "Gail Shaw" <initialsurname@sentech sa dot com> wrote:
> > I like. Is the grid an image map?
>
> Well, I thought it was, but closer inspection of Trevor Quayle's CGSphere
> template reveals it to be a UV-mapped pigment map. Which is nice, 'cos
> that's much easier to modify than an image map. The CGSphere.com zip file
> still contains an unused 'grid.tga' though, which confused me.

How did you do the stars then? That's probably one of the best starfields
I've seen done wih povray.


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From: Bill Pragnell
Subject: Re: Io
Date: 31 Jan 2007 11:40:00
Message: <web.45c0c522fa3b26c2731f01d10@news.povray.org>
"Gail Shaw" <initialsurname@sentech sa dot com> wrote:
> How did you do the stars then? That's probably one of the best starfields
> I've seen done wih povray.

Oh, I see. Thanks! It's just a granite pattern on a big hollow sphere. Set
ambient to 1, and use a color_map a bit like this:

#declare a = 0.05;
color_map {
  [0 color White]
  [a color White]
  [a+a/100 color Black]
  [1 color Black] }

Alter a to make the stars more/less visible, scale the pattern to space them
out. The trick is to tweak the balance for your final resolution and
antialias settings.

Bill


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From: Ben Chambers
Subject: Re: Io
Date: 31 Jan 2007 15:32:48
Message: <45c0fcf0$1@news.povray.org>
Bill Pragnell wrote:
> Oh, and Rendezvous With Rama should never have been continued...!

I agree; the greatest revelation of all was that the Ramans neither knew 
we existed, or even cared.  It kind of spoils it if they send a second ship.

> As to my scene, I think I'm going to try to build the 'Discovery' and use
> the crew section as the CGSphere centre...


Great idea.  I look forward to the Greebles :)

...Chambers


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Io
Date: 1 Feb 2007 04:20:00
Message: <web.45c1b005fa3b26c2f1cb1e660@news.povray.org>
"Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlDOTnet> wrote:

>
> Ah yes! "The sentinel"! In a way, I prefer that story to 2001 itself.
>

As do I. This was one of the first stories that got me thinking, that and
The Star. Although I have a soft spot for Robin Hood FRS which I read about
the same time.

Stephen


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Io
Date: 1 Feb 2007 08:46:17
Message: <45c1ef29$1@news.povray.org>
"Stephen" <mcavoys_AT_aolDOT.com> schreef in bericht 
news:web.45c1b005fa3b26c2f1cb1e660@news.povray.org...
>>
>> Ah yes! "The sentinel"! In a way, I prefer that story to 2001 itself.
>>
>
> As do I. This was one of the first stories that got me thinking, that and
> The Star. Although I have a soft spot for Robin Hood FRS which I read 
> about
> the same time.
>

Aah, memory!!
I think that The Star has been one of the first *true* SF stories I have 
read in my youth (apart from Jules Verne of course!). I remember that it was 

found the theme profoundly moving and - yes - that got me thinking too, 
about religion, fate, and the indifference of the Universe (or Life for that 
matter). It confirmed a few questions I already had  :-)

Thomas


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Io
Date: 1 Feb 2007 10:45:01
Message: <web.45c20a95fa3b26c2f1cb1e660@news.povray.org>
"Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlDOTnet> wrote:
> "Stephen" <mcavoys_AT_aolDOT.com> schreef in bericht
> news:web.45c1b005fa3b26c2f1cb1e660@news.povray.org...
> >>
> >> Ah yes! "The sentinel"! In a way, I prefer that story to 2001 itself.
> >>
> >
> > As do I. This was one of the first stories that got me thinking, that and
> > The Star. Although I have a soft spot for Robin Hood FRS which I read
> > about
> > the same time.
> >
>
> Aah, memory!!
> I think that The Star has been one of the first *true* SF stories I have
> read in my youth (apart from Jules Verne of course!). I remember that it was

> found the theme profoundly moving and - yes - that got me thinking too,
> about religion, fate, and the indifference of the Universe (or Life for that
> matter). It confirmed a few questions I already had  :-)
>
> Thomas

Yes, I thought it was a bit blasphemous then. But I was young and innocent
in those days.

Stephen


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