Please forward my comments about symmetry to Mr Esher :o)

Pascal

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On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 21:46:33 -0400, Alain <ele### [at] netscapenet> wrote:
> Here's the original for comparaison:

Hmm, wasn't it copyrighted image (regarding posting here)?

http://www.mcescher.com/Copyright/copyright.html

ABX

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"ABX" <abx### [at] abxartpl> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 21:46:33 -0400, Alain <ele### [at] netscapenet> wrote:
> > Here's the original for comparaison:
>
> Hmm, wasn't it copyrighted image (regarding posting here)?
>
> http://www.mcescher.com/Copyright/copyright.html

I imagine, given that the image looks like it's been scanned (and therefore it
looks like Alain owns a copy of the image), it could be argued that this would
fall under fair use.  However, the safer bet would be to link to the image, I
suppose.

Lance.

thezone - thezone.firewave.com.au

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Lance Birch wrote:
> "ABX" <abx### [at] abxartpl> wrote in message
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> 
>>On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 21:46:33 -0400, Alain <ele### [at] netscapenet> wrote:
>>
>>>Here's the original for comparaison:
>>
>>Hmm, wasn't it copyrighted image (regarding posting here)?
>>
>>http://www.mcescher.com/Copyright/copyright.html
> 
> 
> I imagine, given that the image looks like it's been scanned (and therefore it
> looks like Alain owns a copy of the image), it could be argued that this would
> fall under fair use.  

 From that website: 'Reproductions taken out of a book are not 
permitted, as this constitutes a copyright violation of the publisher.', 
but I agree with you.
> However, the safer bet would be to link to the image, I
> suppose.
At least then the infingement is made by someone else ;) .

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On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 18:02:26 +1000, "Lance Birch" <-> wrote:
> However, the safer bet would be to link to the image, I suppose.

"Any reproduction of his work, including downloading..."

So the link would be useless ;-)

ABX

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ABX wrote:
> On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 21:46:33 -0400, Alain <ele### [at] netscapenet>
> wrote:
>> Here's the original for comparaison:
>
> Hmm, wasn't it copyrighted image (regarding posting here)?
>
> http://www.mcescher.com/Copyright/copyright.html

One day, whether you post a link to a webpage, book or anything else, or
actually post the material yourself, will all amount to the same thing :-)

IMO there's no reason why posting a link to a publicly available book or
webpage should be any different from posting an unaltered copy of the
material.  In both cases, everyone see the image for free, but the latter is
far more convenient for everyone.

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"Lance Birch" <-> wrote:
> "ABX" <abx### [at] abxartpl> wrote in message
> news:0mm9515ict6011sftktggcdiup23olkb7e@4ax.com...
> > On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 21:46:33 -0400, Alain <ele### [at] netscapenet> wrote:
> > > Here's the original for comparaison:
> >
> > Hmm, wasn't it copyrighted image (regarding posting here)?
> >
> > http://www.mcescher.com/Copyright/copyright.html
>
> I imagine, given that the image looks like it's been scanned (and therefore it
> looks like Alain owns a copy of the image), it could be argued that this would
> fall under fair use.  However, the safer bet would be to link to the image, I
> suppose.
>
> Lance.
>

Back in a saner day, this (posting of a single image for comparison with a
"replica") would have clearly fallen in the "fair use" category, since it
in no way is intended to, nor can it be reasonably be expected to, diminish
the capacity of the copyright holder to profit from said copyright. In
addition it has not been altered in any way, so it cannot be argued that it
can denigrate the original.  And it is clearly for educational purposes.

Back in a saner day, it would have been a slam-dunk.

Back in a saner day.

Sigh.

Dave Matthews (who had several run-ins over fair use, back in a saner day.)

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>  From that website: 'Reproductions taken out of a book are not 
> permitted, as this constitutes a copyright violation of the publisher.', 
> but I agree with you.

And pretty far every film says that *no* copies or anything is 
permitted. You just view the movie and let no-one else see it.

And softwares tells in EULA when *installing* the *already-bought* 
software that you can't do this, this and this and the company who made 
the software can check your computer for copied software etc.

Luckily there are laws. Here in Finland, you need to do the contract 
_before_ buying the software/film/whatever to make it legal. Artists etc 
can't deny copying a CD for own usage (actually, we do pay extra for 
every single empty CD,DVD,tapes etc to get copying-to-own-use legal). 
For art our laws are tighter, and THEY do deny lots of art-copying 
(maybe all, not sure), but the artist can't make this any thighter than 
the law. They can give theier work to public and make it _easier_ and/or 
_cheaper_ for the consumer; NOT _harder_ and/or _more expensive_.

>> However, the safer bet would be to link to the image, I
>> suppose.

Of this, ABX posted:
-clip-
"Any reproduction of his work, including downloading..."

So the link would be useless ;-)
-clap-

When I enter http://www.mcescher.com/ to my browser, I see this 
http://www.mcescher.com/e20home.jpg in the front page, _before_ I can 
click "Copyright" to see this: Any reproduction of his work, including 
downloading, is prohibited without the express written permission of the 
copyright holder.

IF my browser DIDN'T download the image on front page (which is 
forbidden by the copyright text), HOW can I see it? It just generated on 
my screen? And IF that text really makes downloading _any_ of his work 
illegal, I must be a super-criminal to check THIS page: 
http://www.mcescher.com/Biography/biography.html (which is actually 
provided for me from the SAME people who gets the copyright to my view).

Seriously, almost all of the written-by-creator -copyright are themself 
far beoynd the law, trying to be smart and extremely-productive to scare 
people. Still I wouldn't post copyrighted image here, but link to that 
page just can't be illegal (assuming the image used is somewhere there).

-- 
Eero "Aero" Ahonen
    http://www.zbxt.net
       aer### [at] removethiszbxtnetinvalid

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Among other thing, chaps saw fit to write:

> For symmetry, I would add an inverted arc on the left wall, or better,
> remove one from the right one and reorient the floor, did you try it?

That wouldn't be true to the original... The problem is each "viewpoint" has
two subjects: the bird-man and the horn, so you need 6 arches, but the cube
has only 5 walls available after removing one for the camera... so one wall
has to be shared. Splitting the left wall would maybe be better for
symmetry, but would be inconsistent.

By the way, I just noticed the three viewpoints are not the 3 directions in
space, there is up and down which are the same direction, and east-west is
missing (assuming the front view is north-south)...

-- 
light_source{9+9*x,1}camera{orthographic look_at(1-y)/4angle 30location
9/4-z*4}light_source{-9*z,1}union{box{.9-z.1+x clipped_by{plane{2+y-4*x
0}}}box{z-y-.1.1+z}box{-.1.1+x}box{.1z-.1}pigment{rgb<.8.2,1>}}//Jellby

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Lance Birch nous apporta ses lumieres en ce 2005-04-07 04:02:
> "ABX" <abx### [at] abxartpl> wrote in message
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> 
>>On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 21:46:33 -0400, Alain <ele### [at] netscapenet> wrote:
>>
>>>Here's the original for comparaison:
>>
>>Hmm, wasn't it copyrighted image (regarding posting here)?
>>
>>http://www.mcescher.com/Copyright/copyright.html
> 
> 
> I imagine, given that the image looks like it's been scanned (and therefore it
> looks like Alain owns a copy of the image), it could be argued that this would
> fall under fair use.  However, the safer bet would be to link to the image, I
> suppose.
> 
> Lance.
> 
> thezone - thezone.firewave.com.au
> 
> 
Not my scan. DL from the web: http://home.comcast.net/~eschermc/
Posted as a reference.

Alain

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