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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Old & New (Elephant Dream)
Date: 28 Mar 2009 11:01:15
Message: <49ce3bbb@news.povray.org>
"Eriban" <pov### [at] spamgourmetcom> schreef in bericht > I have 
viewed the new image on two different computers, and the contrast looks
> completely different. On my Mac at home the contrast is looking pretty 
> okay;
> you can clearly make out the details of the little elephant. However, on 
> my
> Windows machine at work is pretty much solid black, hardly distinguishable 
> from
> the rest of its surroundings.
>
> This is something I still struggle with with my own images as well. 
> Depending on
> the computer, the image format, or even the application I use to view it, 
> the
> image can look significantly different. This makes fine-tuning of the 
> color and
> light settings quite difficult of course.

Hm. I can view the image fine on my Windows PC. The scene was originally 
written for POV 3.5 (Moray). In my initial rewrite I adapted everything to 
the standard 3.6 version (assumed_gamma 1.0 etc), then rendered in 3.7 
without further ado, except of course commenting out all commands that are 
obsolete for that version. Between the two versions, I have no difference is 
contrast. Also, the display gamma is correct too. This means that your 
machine at work has a differing display gamma most probably.

> Anyway, I like where this image is going.

Thanks!


Thomas


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Old & New (Elephant Dream)
Date: 28 Mar 2009 11:10:04
Message: <49ce3dcc@news.povray.org>
Latest version which answers most of the comments.

List of macros:
Ruined wall macro by Ian Shumsky (2000)
Grasstex macro by Rune Johansen (2002)
Meshrelief macro by Bill Pragnell (2008)
Maketree macro by Gilles Tran (1999)

Scene originally composed in Moray 3.5.

Render time: 3 hours 40 minutes on dual core machine.

Thomas


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From: clipka
Subject: Re: Old & New (Elephant Dream)
Date: 28 Mar 2009 11:50:01
Message: <web.49ce46e94439681222390e420@news.povray.org>
"Thomas de Groot" <tDOTdegroot@interDOTnlANOTHERDOTnet> wrote:
> Latest version which answers most of the comments.

What's that white "crop mark" near the elephant's front leg?

Aside from that: Much better regarding the lighting! Although you seem to favor
dark regions with not much contrast.


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Old & New (Elephant Dream)
Date: 29 Mar 2009 03:19:25
Message: <49cf20fd$1@news.povray.org>
"clipka" <nomail@nomail> schreef in bericht 
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> What's that white "crop mark" near the elephant's front leg?

I don't know. It is not present in the original png, so it probably is a 
jpeg artifact.

>
> Aside from that: Much better regarding the lighting! Although you seem to 
> favor
> dark regions with not much contrast.

Thanks! Concerning the dark regions, if no light is shining directly in the 
corners, shadows are dark with low contrast, especially as the textures are 
dark too, is that no so?

Thomas


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From: clipka
Subject: Re: Old & New (Elephant Dream)
Date: 29 Mar 2009 09:10:00
Message: <web.49cf720244396812ea392f10@news.povray.org>
"Thomas de Groot" <tDOTdegroot@interDOTnlANOTHERDOTnet> wrote:
> Thanks! Concerning the dark regions, if no light is shining directly in the
> corners, shadows are dark with low contrast, especially as the textures are
> dark too, is that no so?

Sure, if it was just for the corners I wouldn't mention it; but the little
elephant, although we can at least see him now, is still quite "borderline" for
my taste regarding the lighting, and I'm quite sure it's not just my display.

I'm not sure whether this is an intentional style of yours, so I mentioned it.


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Old & New (Elephant Dream)
Date: 29 Mar 2009 09:30:28
Message: <49cf77f4$1@news.povray.org>
"clipka" <nomail@nomail> schreef in bericht 
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>
> Sure, if it was just for the corners I wouldn't mention it; but the little
> elephant, although we can at least see him now, is still quite 
> "borderline" for
> my taste regarding the lighting, and I'm quite sure it's not just my 
> display.
>
> I'm not sure whether this is an intentional style of yours, so I mentioned 
> it.
>
>

Then there *must* be a difference in display because I can see every detail 
of the elephant and of the walls, even in the corners...

I shall check my settings again.

Thomas


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From: "Jérôme M. Berger"
Subject: Re: Old & New (Elephant Dream)
Date: 29 Mar 2009 10:30:58
Message: <49cf8622@news.povray.org>
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Thomas de Groot wrote:
> "clipka" <nomail@nomail> schreef in bericht 
> news:web.49cf720244396812ea392f10@news.povray.org...
>> Sure, if it was just for the corners I wouldn't mention it; but the little
>> elephant, although we can at least see him now, is still quite 
>> "borderline" for
>> my taste regarding the lighting, and I'm quite sure it's not just my 
>> display.
>>
>> I'm not sure whether this is an intentional style of yours, so I mentioned 
>> it.
>>
> 
> Then there *must* be a difference in display because I can see every detail 
> of the elephant and of the walls, even in the corners...
> 
> I shall check my settings again.
> 
	Looks fine here (on a calibrated display).

		Jerome
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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Old & New (Elephant Dream)
Date: 29 Mar 2009 10:42:53
Message: <49cf88ed@news.povray.org>

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> Looks fine here (on a calibrated display).


Forgot to mention: LCD screen here.

Checked my settings: all ok here too.

Thomas


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From: clipka
Subject: Re: Old & New (Elephant Dream)
Date: 29 Mar 2009 13:15:00
Message: <web.49cfac6244396812ea392f10@news.povray.org>
"Thomas de Groot" <tDOTdegroot@interDOTnlANOTHERDOTnet> wrote:
> Then there *must* be a difference in display because I can see every detail
> of the elephant and of the walls, even in the corners...
>
> I shall check my settings again.

Whoops - hold it.

Just had a closer look at the shot again, only to find that it is not so bad
really - but that my display is not so good regarding vertical viewing angle; I
did set it properly for viewing when I'm working on my own shots, but contrast
seems to suffer when I'm slumped back in my chair lazily, viewing others'
works...


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Old & New (Elephant Dream)
Date: 30 Mar 2009 02:32:17
Message: <49d06771@news.povray.org>
"clipka" <nomail@nomail> schreef in bericht 
news:web.49cfac6244396812ea392f10@news.povray.org...
>
> Whoops - hold it.
>
> Just had a closer look at the shot again, only to find that it is not so 
> bad
> really - but that my display is not so good regarding vertical viewing 
> angle; I
> did set it properly for viewing when I'm working on my own shots, but 
> contrast
> seems to suffer when I'm slumped back in my chair lazily, viewing others'
> works...

Shame on you! Slumping back indeed!  :-)

I know that phenomenon too, and have to be careful especially with my own 
work, because it is then that I slump back... ;-)

Thomas


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