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From: St 
Subject: Re: Pebbles
Date: 17 Sep 2008 04:59:37
Message: <48d0c6f9@news.povray.org>
"Bill Pragnell" <bil### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in message 
news:web.48d0bf14a788d3fcd5b77e4a0@news.povray.org...


The very thought makes me wince, and puts me in mind of poor
> Thor, in Douglas Adams' "The Long Dark Teatime of the Soul", made to count 
> all
> the stones in Wales... :-)

     That *is* Wales!  ;)

      ~Steve~


>
> Bill
>


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From: Leef me
Subject: Re: Pebbles
Date: 17 Sep 2008 12:30:00
Message: <web.48d13075a788d3fc2a7b15450@news.povray.org>
Jonathan Hunt <jon### [at] xlcuscom> wrote:
> In article <48d02cc2$1@news.povray.org>, LightBeam wrote:
> > Wow ! Your photo is really impressive ;-)
>
> I'm glad you like my *photo* :-)
>
> --
> Jonathan Hunt
> jon### [at] xlcuscom

I thought you were not allowed to post photos in the group and claim them as
Povray? ;)

Seriously, your work is both an inspiration and a frustration.
Both Tulips and Pebbles would seem to be photo quality.

>>Well it's been over 7 years since I last played with POV-Ray ..

Welcome back !!!!


Leef_me


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From: Jonathan Hunt
Subject: Re: Pebbles
Date: 17 Sep 2008 14:43:19
Message: <48d14fc7$1@news.povray.org>
Carlo C. wrote:
> For curiosity, how many blur_samples you've taken?

Here are the relevant parts from my camera block...

     aperture 0.25
     blur_samples 256
     confidence 0.95
     variance 1/256


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Jonathan Hunt
jon### [at] xlcuscom


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From: Jonathan Hunt
Subject: Re: Pebbles
Date: 17 Sep 2008 14:54:00
Message: <48d15248$1@news.povray.org>
Bill Pragnell wrote:
> Unless your code is particularly convoluted, I think it highly
> unlikely that manual placement of the stones would be easier.

Well, easier in the sense of trying to get them placed "Just right" from 
an artistic point of view.  I think I tried over 200 values for the 
starting value of the random seed before I settled on the placement you 
see in the final image! :-)

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Jonathan Hunt
jon### [at] xlcuscom


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From: Jonathan Hunt
Subject: Re: Pebbles
Date: 17 Sep 2008 14:58:34
Message: <48d1535a$1@news.povray.org>
Leef_me wrote:
> Seriously, your work is both an inspiration and a frustration.
> Both Tulips and Pebbles would seem to be photo quality.

Thanks :-)  Well, I shall be posting the source code to the newsgroups 
shortly, so you'll be able to see all of my dirty secrets! :-D

> > Well it's been over 7 years since I last played with POV-Ray ..
> 
> Welcome back !!!!

Hopefully it won't be another 7 years until the next one! ;-)


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Jonathan Hunt
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From: Jonathan Hunt
Subject: Re: Pebbles
Date: 17 Sep 2008 15:27:31
Message: <48d15a23$1@news.povray.org>
I've posted the source code here...
http://news.povray.org/povray.text.scene-files/thread/%3C48d158e3%241%40news.povray.org%3E/
...and here...
http://xlcus.com/povray/pebbles/pebbles.pov


Cheers,

-- 
Jonathan Hunt
jon### [at] xlcuscom


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From: Bill Pragnell
Subject: Re: Pebbles
Date: 18 Sep 2008 11:55:01
Message: <web.48d27979a788d3fcd5b77e4a0@news.povray.org>
Jonathan Hunt <jon### [at] xlcuscom> wrote:
> Bill Pragnell wrote:
> > Unless your code is particularly convoluted, I think it highly
> > unlikely that manual placement of the stones would be easier.
>
> Well, easier in the sense of trying to get them placed "Just right" from
> an artistic point of view.  I think I tried over 200 values for the
> starting value of the random seed before I settled on the placement you
> see in the final image! :-)

'Nuff said, I've been there! What the SDL needs is an eval_aesthetics() function
so you can automate seed hunting ;-)


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From: Alain
Subject: Re: Pebbles
Date: 18 Sep 2008 22:32:10
Message: <48d30f2a$1@news.povray.org>
Bill Pragnell nous illumina en ce 2008-09-18 11:53 -->

> 'Nuff said, I've been there! What the SDL needs is an eval_aesthetics() function
> so you can automate seed hunting ;-)
> 
OK! But, the problem is that aesthetic don't have the same meaning from one 
person to the next... An even for a gives person, it can change acording on a 
multitude of factors, like your age, the weather, how was the day at 
work/school, your last meal, the weather,...

-- 
Alain
-------------------------------------------------
Expert, n.: Someone who comes from out of town and shows slides.


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From: Bill Pragnell
Subject: Re: Pebbles
Date: 19 Sep 2008 04:30:01
Message: <web.48d362c3a788d3fcd5b77e4a0@news.povray.org>
Alain <ele### [at] netscapenet> wrote:
> Bill Pragnell nous illumina en ce 2008-09-18 11:53 -->
>
> > 'Nuff said, I've been there! What the SDL needs is an eval_aesthetics() function
> > so you can automate seed hunting ;-)
> >
> OK! But, the problem is that aesthetic don't have the same meaning from one
> person to the next... An even for a gives person, it can change acording on a
> multitude of factors, like your age, the weather, how was the day at
> work/school, your last meal, the weather,...

Agreed! I was just being facetious. :P


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From: Jonathan Hunt
Subject: Re: Pebbles
Date: 22 Sep 2008 18:38:10
Message: <48d81e52@news.povray.org>
I've added some comments to the source code to hopefully make it easier 
to understand! :-)

http://news.povray.org/48d81ce2%40news.povray.org
http://xlcus.com/povray/pebbles/pebbles.pov

-- 
Jonathan Hunt
jon### [at] xlcuscom


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