"St." <dot### [at] dotcom> schreef in bericht news:48901b62$1@news.povray.org...
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>
> Yes, you know something Alain, I've never said this before, but I'm colour 
> blind. I always have been with green and brown apparently. This is the 
> first time in my life that I've realised that it's a problem. I'll have to 
> keep a careful watch on my colours from now on!
>

Hey, that explains the green blast, Steve. Interestingly, this is a 
tell-tale case where red is switched to green.

I had a colour blind colleague who made horribly tinted maps and pie charts. 
Well, to our non-colour blind eyes, of course... :-)  We used to tease him 
about it, in good humour, and had some interesting discussions about 
consequences and differences in looking at the world.

Thomas

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St. nous illumina en ce 2008-07-30 03:42 -->
> "Alain" <ele### [at] netscapenet> wrote in message 
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>> St. nous illumina en ce 2008-07-29 14:16 -->
>>> "john" <joh### [at] worldcom> wrote in message 
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>>>> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 22:32:06 +0100, "St." <dot### [at] dotcom> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The greenish wound, assuming it is not meant to be gunsmoke, looks
>>>> very strange.
> 
>> In that case, the blast should be gray, with maybe a hint of red, not 
>> green! Same with the smoke from the winner's gun: it should be mostly 
>> gray, with only a narrow setreak of red/orange near the barel's end.
> 
> 
> Yes, you know something Alain, I've never said this before, but I'm colour 
> blind. I always have been with green and brown apparently. This is the first 
> time in my life that I've realised that it's a problem. I'll have to keep a 
> careful watch on my colours from now on!
> 
>    Thanks for the tips. :)
> 
>       ~Steve~
> 
> 
> 
>> -- 
>> Alain
>> -------------------------------------------------
>> For here we are not afraid to follow truth wherever it may lead.
>> Thomas Jefferson 
> 
> 
That explain the pecularties of your image. Changing it to gray scale qives a 
very nice result.

-- 
Alain
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The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear
arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in
government.
Thomas Jefferson

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"St." <dot### [at] dotcom> schreef in bericht news:488f5e8b@news.povray.org...
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>   Well, true. But there is always the lucky shot, (and I think this is the 
> case in the actual book. The chap in front is supposed to be a true newbie 
> with firearms, but get's lucky in the fog).
>

This has implications for the pose of the chap in front, Steve  :-)
If he is a newbie, his pose should reflect something of unease, nervousness, 
or awkwardness. In the present scene, he looks very cool and master of 
himself. It may not be very easy to achieve, however.

Something else I have been thinking about. The gun should show some measure 
of backlash, especially if the guy is a newbie! So, I believe, the gun 
should be pointing upwards.

And what about the same guy flinching away from the bullet whizzing past his 
head and hitting his hat? However, that may be occurring in the next split 
second of the drama...

Looking even more closely, the path of the bullet should be a bit higher in 
order to hit the hat. It now passes just a bit too low to do that 
effectively.

Looking again at your scene, I believe there is an interesting conundrum of 
time travel paradox, or maybe of multiverses... :-)
Consider this:
T+0: the guns are fired, we assume simultaneously;
T+1: bullets respectively whizzes pas A and hits B in the eye;
T+2: Backlash of A's gun; B's gun starts to be pulled up;
T+3: A flinches away from the bullet; B starts to fall backwards;
T+4: B rotates around his axis while falling and sends the gun in an arc;
etc...

Do you see what I mean: Your image shows different time frames condensed 
into the same moment!  ;-)   This is not a problem, but it is an interesting 
notion...

Thomas

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"Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlDOTnet> wrote in message 
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> "St." <dot### [at] dotcom> schreef in bericht news:488f5e8b@news.povray.org...
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>>   Well, true. But there is always the lucky shot, (and I think this is 
>> the case in the actual book. The chap in front is supposed to be a true 
>> newbie with firearms, but get's lucky in the fog).
>>
>
> This has implications for the pose of the chap in front, Steve  :-)
> If he is a newbie, his pose should reflect something of unease, 
> nervousness, or awkwardness. In the present scene, he looks very cool and 
> master of himself. It may not be very easy to achieve, however.
>
<snip>

> Do you see what I mean: Your image shows different time frames condensed 
> into the same moment!  ;-)   This is not a problem, but it is an 
> interesting notion...

    WOW! I'm being spoiled! :o) What a great (and correct) way of looking at 
the scene Thomas! I have to say that I never even considered any of these 
suggestions. All I was aiming for, ;) was an easily recognisable stance with 
the dueling men, but yes, I can see you're right on the button with your 
suggestions, Thomas. Thanks.

    I won't be working on this just yet, but the goal is to get a nice print 
of the image. :)

      ~Steve~


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> Thomas
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"St." <dot### [at] dotcom> schreef in bericht news:48928f33$1@news.povray.org...
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>    WOW! I'm being spoiled! :o) What a great (and correct) way of looking 
> at the scene Thomas! I have to say that I never even considered any of 
> these suggestions. All I was aiming for, ;) was an easily recognisable 
> stance with the dueling men, but yes, I can see you're right on the button 
> with your suggestions, Thomas. Thanks.

You are welcome, Steve :-)
You are in luck too. I do not always have ideas coming up so readily. This 
does not mean that your scene is bad, on the contrary, I suppose it means 
that it is intriguing enough to suggest instinctively all kinds of 
interesting questions.

>
>    I won't be working on this just yet, but the goal is to get a nice 
> print of the image. :)

Excellent.

Thomas

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On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:16:19 +0100, "St." <dot### [at] dotcom> wrote:

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>     I think I watched a film just like that many years ago, but haven't 
>seen it since. He took a picture (the photographer, obviously), of someone 
><girl> for a commercial shot in a public park, and then when he developed 
>the image, he saw a dead body in the background behind a bush I believe. Old 
>film, but good film. Can't remember what it was called though, unless it's 
>the same film you're on about.
>

Was it Blow-up?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blowup

 
I like Thomas's comments about concating the time frames. As your eye travels
from right to left you are moving forward in time. Nice!
Some comments:
The victim should spin backwards and to his right.
If you used Poser for the models and clothes. Then you should redo the shirts in
the clothes room to make them less stiff.
I've also got some BVH (motion) files that might be of use for posing someone
shot.
There seems to be a red sphere where the shadow of the hat meets the victors
head.
-- 

Regards
     Stephen

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Stephen nous illumina en ce 2008-08-03 03:56 -->
> On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:16:19 +0100, "St." <dot### [at] dotcom> wrote:
> 
>>     I think I watched a film just like that many years ago, but haven't 
>> seen it since. He took a picture (the photographer, obviously), of someone 
>> <girl> for a commercial shot in a public park, and then when he developed 
>> the image, he saw a dead body in the background behind a bush I believe. Old 
>> film, but good film. Can't remember what it was called though, unless it's 
>> the same film you're on about.
>>
> 
> Was it Blow-up?
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blowup
> 
>  
Yes, Blow-out. A little surreal. I liked a comment from the photograph after his 
girl friend told him: "Don't you see?", "I don't see, I look!"

-- 
Alain
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Beam me up Scotty. There aint no inteligent life down here.

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"Stephen" <mcavoysAT@aolDOTcom> wrote in message 
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> On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:16:19 +0100, "St." <dot### [at] dotcom> wrote:

> Was it Blow-up?
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blowup

   YES!! That's the one! Thanks Stephen. :) I've only seen it once when I 
were a young laad. ;) I thought it was a good idea for a film back then.


>
>
> I like Thomas's comments about concating the time frames. As your eye 
> travels
> from right to left you are moving forward in time. Nice!
> Some comments:
> The victim should spin backwards and to his right.
> If you used Poser for the models and clothes. Then you should redo the 
> shirts in
> the clothes room to make them less stiff.
> I've also got some BVH (motion) files that might be of use for posing 
> someone
> shot.
> There seems to be a red sphere where the shadow of the hat meets the 
> victors
> head.

    Heh, I think that's his hairband to hold his pony-tail in ship-shape 
fashion. (Is that it?)

     Thanks for the tips, seems like I've got a lot of work to do! ;)

     ~Steve~

      www.tc-rtc.co.uk


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>
> Regards
>     Stephen

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On Sun, 03 Aug 2008 12:23:35 -0400, Alain <ele### [at] netscapenet> wrote:

>Yes, Blow-out. A little surreal. I liked a comment from the photograph after his 
>girl friend told him: "Don't you see?", "I don't see, I look!"

It was the pretentious sixties after all :)
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Regards
     Stephen

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On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 18:10:51 +0100, "St." <dot### [at] dotcom> wrote:



>    Heh, I think that's his hairband to hold his pony-tail in ship-shape 
>fashion. (Is that it?)

Big girl's blouse :)

And it's Ship shape and Bristol fashion

>     Thanks for the tips, seems like I've got a lot of work to do! ;)


-- 

Regards
     Stephen

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