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From: Christian Froeschlin
Subject: Re: Black Hole Research - new version
Date: 6 May 2007 12:01:09
Message: <463dfbc5$1@news.povray.org>
Alain wrote:
> Orchid XP v3 nous apporta ses lumieres en ce 2007-05-06 09:21:
> 
>> Mmm... that ship *is* too close to the event horizon! ;-)
> 
> In space, it's extremely hard to corectly evaluate distances. The black 
> hole may be at a somewhat safe distance...

Well, if it's a stellar black hole, the schwarzschild radius shouldn't
be more than a few hundred km and you don't want to see that as a disk.
If it's a super-massive black hole, you don't want to be close enough
to see a single star falling in as a large disk.


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From: "Jérôme M. Berger"
Subject: Re: Black Hole Research - new version
Date: 6 May 2007 12:02:44
Message: <463dfc24$1@news.povray.org>
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Alain wrote:
> Orchid XP v3 nous apporta ses lumieres en ce 2007-05-06 09:21:
>> Mmm... that ship *is* too close to the event horizon! ;-)
> In space, it's extremely hard to corectly evaluate distances. The black
> hole may be at a somewhat safe distance...

	But in that case, why is the ship distorted too?

		Jerome
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From: Orchid XP v3
Subject: Re: Black Hole Research - new version
Date: 6 May 2007 12:15:59
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Alain wrote:
> In space, it's extremely hard to corectly evaluate distances.

Mmm, too true... ;-)


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From: chaps
Subject: Re: Black Hole Research - new version
Date: 6 May 2007 13:05:01
Message: <web.463e0a4cba8207c9219019ab0@news.povray.org>
The vortex effect add a lot to the picture.

I find it well balanced in that view. Congratulations

Chaps


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From: Tek
Subject: Re: Black Hole Research - new version
Date: 6 May 2007 19:36:27
Message: <463e667b@news.povray.org>
"Christian Froeschlin" <chr### [at] chrfrde> wrote in message 
news:463dfbc5$1@news.povray.org...
> Alain wrote:
>> Orchid XP v3 nous apporta ses lumieres en ce 2007-05-06 09:21:
>>
>>> Mmm... that ship *is* too close to the event horizon! ;-)
>>
>> In space, it's extremely hard to corectly evaluate distances. The black 
>> hole may be at a somewhat safe distance...
>
> Well, if it's a stellar black hole, the schwarzschild radius shouldn't
> be more than a few hundred km and you don't want to see that as a disk.
> If it's a super-massive black hole, you don't want to be close enough
> to see a single star falling in as a large disk.

Fascinating discussion, really, but I feel obliged to point out that any 
resemblance to real spatial phenomena is entirely coincedental! :-D

My sum total knowledge of black holes consists of stuff I've picked up from 
Star Trek and the song Supermassive Black Hole by Muse.

-- 
Tek
http://evilsuperbrain.com


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From: Gail Shaw
Subject: Re: Black Hole Research - new version
Date: 7 May 2007 00:26:07
Message: <463eaa5f@news.povray.org>
"Tek" <tek### [at] evilsuperbraincom> wrote in message
news:463e667b@news.povray.org...
> Fascinating discussion, really, but I feel obliged to point out that any
> resemblance to real spatial phenomena is entirely coincedental! :-D

Let's just say that at that distance from the hole, that ship is not leaving
again, unless it can travel at a speed very close to the speed of light.


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From: Gail Shaw
Subject: Re: Black Hole Research - new version
Date: 7 May 2007 00:33:43
Message: <463eac27@news.povray.org>
"Tek" <tek### [at] evilsuperbraincom> wrote in message
news:463dcd87@news.povray.org...
> Swirly effect! I added a radial normal to my distortion effect, which is
> ramped up towards the middle of the effect to things get swirled more the
> closer they get.
>

Very nice. I'm still not sure about the distortion ring around the hole,
though it looks better than before.

A suggestion for more 'realism'. Red-shift the colours slightly based on
their proximity to the hole.
Light travelling near a black hole looses energy, in addition to being bent
towards the hole. This loss of energy results in colours being shifted down
towards the red end of the spectrum.
I don't know how hard that will be, or how good it will look


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Black Hole Research - new version
Date: 7 May 2007 02:53:31
Message: <463ecceb@news.povray.org>
"Tek" <tek### [at] evilsuperbraincom> schreef in bericht 
news:463dcd87@news.povray.org...
> Swirly effect! I added a radial normal to my distortion effect, which is 
> ramped up towards the middle of the effect to things get swirled more the 
> closer they get.
>

Nice indeed! Much better.
I agree with Gail about the ring. I imagine that the black hole would be 
totally black.... Now, where did I read that black holes would have a 
slightly bluish glow...??? I can't remember.

Thomas


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From: Art Flint
Subject: Re: Black Hole Research - new version
Date: 7 May 2007 07:19:11
Message: <463f0b2f$1@news.povray.org>
Thomas de Groot wrote:
> "Tek" <tek### [at] evilsuperbraincom> schreef in bericht 
> news:463dcd87@news.povray.org...
>   
>> Swirly effect! I added a radial normal to my distortion effect, which is 
>> ramped up towards the middle of the effect to things get swirled more the 
>> closer they get.
>>
>>     
>
> Nice indeed! Much better.
> I agree with Gail about the ring. I imagine that the black hole would be 
> totally black.... Now, where did I read that black holes would have a 
> slightly bluish glow...??? I can't remember.
>
> Thomas
>
>
>   
Makes you wonder what happens to the light that comes from a point 
between us and the event horizon.


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From: Alain
Subject: Re: Black Hole Research - new version
Date: 7 May 2007 08:49:38
Message: <463f2062@news.povray.org>
Art Flint nous apporta ses lumieres en ce 7 / 05 / 2007 07:19:

> Makes you wonder what happens to the light that comes from a point 
> between us and the event horizon.

Red shift!


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