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From: Norbert Kern
Subject: Re: Boreal WIP (272 KB)
Date: 27 Jul 2004 12:45:24
Message: <410686a4@news.povray.org>
I forgot the trunk image -


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From: Norbert Kern
Subject: Re: Boreal WIP (272 KB)
Date: 27 Jul 2004 12:46:21
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"Darren New" <dne### [at] sanrrcom> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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> > - The image seems to lack something - but what?
>
> A beagle in the cockpit?


?
I don't know, what you mean; Can you help me?


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From: Norbert Kern
Subject: Re: Boreal WIP (272 KB)
Date: 27 Jul 2004 12:52:30
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"Jeremy M. Praay" <sla### [at] hotmailcom> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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> First, it's marvelous.  I love "outdoor" scenes, and scenes like this have
> crossed my mind, but I've never tried it, thinking it would be quite
> difficult to do.


Thank you very much.


> Something seems funny, strange with the forest itself.  Should there be
more
> trees in the back at a lower elevation?  It seems like it.  In other
words,
> we're presumably looking over a hill.  I would expect some more distant
> trees in the nearer distance.


You are right, I'll change that.


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From: Norbert Kern
Subject: Re: Boreal WIP (272 KB)
Date: 27 Jul 2004 12:58:22
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"Jeremy M. Praay" <sla### [at] hotmailcom> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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> Yes, I think those are trees.
>
> My point was that as the eye wanders down the hill that "we" are on, the
> trees seem to stop abruptly.  I guess that side of the hill could have
been
> logged recently (or there could be a cliff, etc.), but it seems strange to
> me as I look at it.  "Distant trees in the nearer distance" isn't very
good
> verbage, but that's what I was getting at.
>
> Nevertheless, that's just my opinion.  It's a great picture.

Thank you very much for that.
I like it by myself, which isn't often the case with test scenes.


Norbert Kern


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From: Norbert Kern
Subject: Re: Boreal WIP (272 KB)
Date: 27 Jul 2004 13:01:00
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"Jim Charter" <jrc### [at] msncom> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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>
> The sense of "lacking" might be primary to the theme itself.  The main
> question is who is the viewer?  What is the viewer's relationship to the
> plane?  The title is "boreal", northern, but the larger theme is
> "primordial", primeval,...pristine. The sense of which is punctuated by
> the bush flight.  Whatever else you add to the scene must confront this
> dilemma.  That is why animals won't work unless you define what they are
> saying about the plane and the viewer.  The scene hinges on this
> mystery.  Is it a mundane snap of a plane buzzing a bush fire?  Or is
> there something more?


Nice and deep thoughts, thank you for it. I have to sleep about it.


Norbert Kern


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From: Norbert Kern
Subject: Re: Boreal WIP (272 KB)
Date: 27 Jul 2004 13:05:37
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"Shay" <sah### [at] simcopartscom> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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> Norbert Kern wrote:
>
> Awesome. I've never been in that kind of forest, so I can't say if
> anything is missing. I think that if this were a photograph, the
> photographer would use a different lens which would show less
> distortion. Distortion may be your intention, however.
>
>   -Shay


I'll try some camera alternatives, thanx for the tip.


Norbert Kern


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From: lenx
Subject: Re: Boreal WIP (272 KB)
Date: 27 Jul 2004 14:42:17
Message: <4106a209$1@news.povray.org>
Norbert Kern wrote:
> I want to finish this WIP, but how?
> Starting from an atmosphere test (thanks to Abe for the starting point), the
> scene quickly developed to an half-finished state.
> Recently Gilles Tran motivated me to start working on it again after showing
> an earlier version to him along the way.
> The rock and the dead mossy tree are still likely to be changed.
> 
> Two questions:
> - The image seems to lack something - but what? I already added and deleted
> several animals, they didn't seem to fit.
> - Is the picture bright enough? I have three different LCD monitors, all
> with different Gamma. I want to collect other opinions.
> 
> Eventually the final picture will be rendered in 3000+ pixels and will take
> at least six weeks on two computers.
> 
> 
> Norbert Kern
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
this is realy nice! but indeed, there is like something missing, hard to 
describe. to me, the image seems rather flat. the trees are stunning but 
they don't create enough dept. i thing you need more perspective in your 
render. also the colors seem a little high contrasted. it's strong green 
against strong blue, try adding some other colors in whatever way. good 
image !


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Boreal WIP (272 KB)
Date: 27 Jul 2004 16:41:38
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Norbert Kern wrote:
> I don't know, what you mean; Can you help me?

Sorry. That was a joke. A reference to Snoopy (from the Peanuts comic 
strip) and the Red Baron.


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From: Norbert Kern
Subject: Re: Boreal WIP (272 KB)
Date: 27 Jul 2004 19:54:37
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"St." <dot### [at] dotcom> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:41059acf@news.povray.org...

>    If you look closely at the blue background, is there some forest
> there too? Very faint. I think so, (I hope).


Yes there is a not so distant hill with forest.
I'll change it to be more recognizable.
A quick render shows the new version.


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From: Norbert Kern
Subject: Re: Boreal WIP (272 KB)
Date: 27 Jul 2004 20:31:22
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"lenx" <len### [at] pandorabe> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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> this is realy nice! but indeed, there is like something missing, hard to
> describe. to me, the image seems rather flat. the trees are stunning but
> they don't create enough dept. i thing you need more perspective in your
> render. also the colors seem a little high contrasted. it's strong green
> against strong blue, try adding some other colors in whatever way. good
> image !

You are right, yellow and red colors are underrepresented.
This is the only reason I left the plane in place. But what else?

Norbert Kern


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