I enjoyed following the evolution of this beautiful picture!

What about giving the clouds a less "brute" white and making
them a tiny little more transparent?

   Sputnik

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1. I would have put a school of small fish rather than a few big fish; it's
uncommon to see big fish near the surface.

2. When I was up in Vermont this weekend, I spent a lot of time staring at
grassy
hills and thinking about Grassy Julia... grass grows straight up, regardless
of
the angle of the slope; however, I wouldn't change it... the subtle weird
grass is
part of the 'fantastic' element of the scene. (Here's hoping analyzing that
doesn't spoil it for anyone! ;))

3. I liked the distant background 'mainland' ...

4. I would call it 'Julia's Isle' or 'Julia's Escape' ...

and, finally, 5. Great image! Love it in all its incarnations! (some more
than
 others, but, I think, this one the most!)


--Chris

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Superb !
I like the fishes, they are discrete and it leaves some details to be 
discovered.

JC


Tek wrote:
> I think I've done just about as much as I can on this image. Plus the new stills
> topic should be announced tomorrow, so I want to finish this and move on.
> 
> 
> I thought I'd do a quick review of some of the good ideas that weren't used:
> 
> - People/robots, deckchair, boats and any other man-made presence - the idea
> with these things was that this is a nice place to chill out and relax, so to
> show this someone should be in the scene doing just that, or implied by the
> presence of objects associated with that (an empty deck chair, boat, etc.). Now
> the image is at this stage I feel the objects and scene serve a more immediate
> purpose, it is not a nice place to -be-, it's a nice place to -see-! I don't
> want any human occupation in the scene because you are the human who comes here
> to enjoy it. If I put someone in the picture it will only make the viewer
> jealous! Well, that's pretentious but I think it works better like this.
> 
> - 3D media clouds - I've stayed with the 2D clouds because I like their ethereal
> apearance and media clouds rarely look as soft as this, plus the render time
> would become much worse with media.
> 
> - The empty right side of the image, too much sky etc. - Obviously these things
> are a matter of opinion and I know some people like the way this shot is laid
> out and others prefer the earlier versions. I could go into lengthy details bout
> why I think it works like this, but I don't see much point, you will either like
> it or not and frankly I'd be very worried if everyone agreed about this! So I'll
> just say this layout feels right to me, every tweak I made in this direction
> improved the feeling I got from it, and every time I tried something else it got
> worse.
> 
> 
> Just a couple of specific questions:
> - What do you think of the fish, does the water surface distort them too much or
> do they look right?
> - What should I call this picture? "grassy julia" was just a description of what
> I first created, but then maybe I should keep that title since that's what
> people here know it as. All suggestions welcome then I'll pick my favourite :)
> My own suggestion is "a holiday with Julia".
> 
> All other comments, criticisms, and suggestions are welcome as always.
> 
> 
> Oh, and finally, in case I forget to say this later: Many thanks to everyone who
> left comments on the earlier wips, you've helped to create one of my best images
> ever.
> 
> Cheers,
> --
> Tek
> http://www.evilsuperbrain.com
> 
> 
>

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Hi!
Great Image! This will replace Gilles Trans "Family" Image as my 
background (it has a nice summer feeling and "Family" makes me a little 
claustrophobic now)

Tek wrote:
> My own suggestion is "a holiday with Julia".
I like that one.

Florian

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The image looks great, especialy the flock of birds in the distance, it
seems to have some motion in it, like it should have.

two points of critiscism:

- The flowers need some work, since they will be annoyingly simple when
rendered at Zazzle resolution.

- i didn't recognise the fish due to the refraction of the water, maybe you
should use smaller fish.

The title is very good, it suits the image.

JWV





"Tek" <tek### [at] evilsuperbraincom> wrote in message
news:3f00a1b2@news.povray.org...
> I think I've done just about as much as I can on this image. Plus the new
stills
> topic should be announced tomorrow, so I want to finish this and move on.
>
>
> I thought I'd do a quick review of some of the good ideas that weren't
used:
>
> - People/robots, deckchair, boats and any other man-made presence - the
idea
> with these things was that this is a nice place to chill out and relax, so
to
> show this someone should be in the scene doing just that, or implied by
the
> presence of objects associated with that (an empty deck chair, boat,
etc.). Now
> the image is at this stage I feel the objects and scene serve a more
immediate
> purpose, it is not a nice place to -be-, it's a nice place to -see-! I
don't
> want any human occupation in the scene because you are the human who comes
here
> to enjoy it. If I put someone in the picture it will only make the viewer
> jealous! Well, that's pretentious but I think it works better like this.
>
> - 3D media clouds - I've stayed with the 2D clouds because I like their
ethereal
> apearance and media clouds rarely look as soft as this, plus the render
time
> would become much worse with media.
>
> - The empty right side of the image, too much sky etc. - Obviously these
things
> are a matter of opinion and I know some people like the way this shot is
laid
> out and others prefer the earlier versions. I could go into lengthy
details bout
> why I think it works like this, but I don't see much point, you will
either like
> it or not and frankly I'd be very worried if everyone agreed about this!
So I'll
> just say this layout feels right to me, every tweak I made in this
direction
> improved the feeling I got from it, and every time I tried something else
it got
> worse.
>
>
> Just a couple of specific questions:
> - What do you think of the fish, does the water surface distort them too
much or
> do they look right?
> - What should I call this picture? "grassy julia" was just a description
of what
> I first created, but then maybe I should keep that title since that's what
> people here know it as. All suggestions welcome then I'll pick my
favourite :)
> My own suggestion is "a holiday with Julia".
>
> All other comments, criticisms, and suggestions are welcome as always.
>
>
> Oh, and finally, in case I forget to say this later: Many thanks to
everyone who
> left comments on the earlier wips, you've helped to create one of my best
images
> ever.
>
> Cheers,
> --
> Tek
> http://www.evilsuperbrain.com
>
>
>

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"JWV" <jwv|at|planet.nl> wrote in message news:3f01f3c0@news.povray.org...
> The image looks great, especialy the flock of birds in the distance, it
> seems to have some motion in it, like it should have.

I acheived that by applying turbulence to position them (which makes them clump
together in natural looking patterns) and then using a second turbulence
function to choose theit direction. This means birds that are close together
tend to point in a similar direction, giving a natural impression of movement.
Then I just had to tweak the focal blur so you can only just see which way
they're pointing. I'm very pleased with the effect and I'm glad you like it :)

> - The flowers need some work, since they will be annoyingly simple when
> rendered at Zazzle resolution.

Agreed, and since Andrew Wilcox mentioned it yesterday I've already done that.
They're now mapped onto spherical shapes, giving just a subtly curve to them.

> - i didn't recognise the fish due to the refraction of the water, maybe you
> should use smaller fish.

Hmm... well I'd tend to agree with you only most other people seem to think
they're recognisable enough. I'll try smaller fish and see how they look but I
think I prefer them this size.

> The title is very good, it suits the image.

Cool. I think I'll keep it :)

--
Tek
http://www.evilsuperbrain.com

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Thank you! I'm glad you like it :)

(hopefully with all this positive response I might actually manage to sell some
posters when this image is finished!)
--
Tek
http://www.evilsuperbrain.com


"Martin Belair" <bad### [at] hotmailDOTcom> wrote in message
news:Xns### [at] 204213191226...
> "Tek" <tek### [at] evilsuperbraincom> wrote in news:3f00a1b2@news.povray.org:
>
> >
> > All other comments, criticisms, and suggestions are welcome as always.
> >
>
>
> Well, I have followed the evolution of this work since the first version.
> Never gave a comment. Now, I'll change that:
>
> Perfect!
>
> You're an artist. Your "Marvellous Julia" bring peace of mind. It's a
> wonderfull place to be. Calm and relax. To me it's perfect.
>
> Thank you for sharing your work with us.
>
> Ciao!
>
> Mart
>
>

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:)
Thanks

--
Tek
http://www.evilsuperbrain.com


"Tom Galvin" <tom### [at] imporg> wrote in message
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> "Tek" <tek### [at] evilsuperbraincom> wrote in news:3f00a1b2@news.povray.org:
>
>
> > welcome then I'll pick my favourite :) My own suggestion is "a holiday
> > with Julia".
> >
> >
>
> I think you do not need any suggestions.  That title is perfect.  I love
> this image.

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news:3f00f016$1@news.povray.org...
> I enjoyed following the evolution of this beautiful picture!

Thank you :)

> What about giving the clouds a less "brute" white and making
> them a tiny little more transparent?

I find clouds look more sunny if they really saturate out to white in places.
I've already toned them down a bit from the early test renders, and if I make
them any darker they start to look like they don't match the lighting in the
scene.

When you say make them transparent do you mean all over or just at the edge?
I tried softer edges a while ago but found they lost the "fluffy" look of summer
clouds.

--
Tek
http://www.evilsuperbrain.com

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1. Well I have to admit I don't really know anything about fish, I was just
thinking of Coy Carp in a pond!
I'll try smaller fish and see how they look.

2. Yeah I realise the grass should grow more vertically, but I tried that and
like you say this just looks so much nicer :)

3. I've actually tweaked it a little just after posting this image, in the
earlier shots it went off the right side of the picture implying it was part of
some large mainland, and in this one it looks more like an island. I've
rectified that now so it once again definitely looks like mainland.

4. Both good suggestions, I'll add them to my list of possible titles...

5. Thanks!

--
Tek
http://www.evilsuperbrain.com

"Chris Amshey" <my last name at thecia dot net> wrote in message
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> 1. I would have put a school of small fish rather than a few big fish; it's
> uncommon to see big fish near the surface.
>
> 2. When I was up in Vermont this weekend, I spent a lot of time staring at
> grassy
> hills and thinking about Grassy Julia... grass grows straight up, regardless
> of
> the angle of the slope; however, I wouldn't change it... the subtle weird
> grass is
> part of the 'fantastic' element of the scene. (Here's hoping analyzing that
> doesn't spoil it for anyone! ;))
>
> 3. I liked the distant background 'mainland' ...
>
> 4. I would call it 'Julia's Isle' or 'Julia's Escape' ...
>
> and, finally, 5. Great image! Love it in all its incarnations! (some more
> than
>  others, but, I think, this one the most!)
>
>
> --Chris
>
>

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