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From: Thomas Lake
Subject: New Site + Rad slowdown
Date: 30 Jul 2001 02:31:26
Message: <3b64ff3e@news.povray.org>
I've finally decided to redesign my old site, haven't touched it in over 2
years, and upload many of my new images. I decided to go with a Pov inspired
interface, at least with the front page. Please take a look and tell me what
you think, you need the Flash plugin. There isn't anything there beyond the
front page for now.

http://www.geocities.com/~thomaslake/test.htm

Below are the two images I rendered for this. The pure black and white one
took about 5 min to render and the colour one took over 2 1/2 days, can
anyone explain this huge discrepancy? I've used rather high radiosity
settings, but both images use the same settings.


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From: Thomas Lake
Subject: Re: New Site + Rad slowdown
Date: 30 Jul 2001 02:38:43
Message: <3b6500f3$1@news.povray.org>
"Thomas Lake" <tla### [at] homecom> wrote in message
news:3b64ff3e@news.povray.org...
> I've finally decided to redesign my old site, haven't touched it in over 2
> years, and upload many of my new images. I decided to go with a Pov
inspired
> interface, at least with the front page. Please take a look and tell me
what
> you think, you need the Flash plugin. There isn't anything there beyond
the
> front page for now.
>
> http://www.geocities.com/~thomaslake/test.htm
>
> Below are the two images I rendered for this. The pure black and white one
> took about 5 min to render and the colour one took over 2 1/2 days, can
> anyone explain this huge discrepancy? I've used rather high radiosity
> settings, but both images use the same settings.

Here is the old front page I replaced. I have a hard time deciding if what I
have now is a genuine improvement or not. I designed the ant creature in
this old page from a 3d studio tutorial so the new page has the advantage of
being all my creation:-)

http://www.geocities.com/~thomaslake/old.htm


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From: Kari Kivisalo
Subject: Re: New Site + Rad slowdown
Date: 30 Jul 2001 03:51:39
Message: <3B6512AF.44DD75E8@pp.htv.fi>
Thomas Lake wrote:
>
> http://www.geocities.com/~thomaslake/test.htm

The active images move a pixel or two to the left. Only the gallery hot
spot stays put.

> Below are the two images I rendered for this. The pure black and white one
> took about 5 min to render and the colour one took over 2 1/2 days, can
> anyone explain this huge discrepancy?

! It must be the reflecting and refracting objects as someone pointed out
a couple of days ago.


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Kari Kivisalo


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From: Thomas Lake
Subject: Re: New Site + Rad slowdown
Date: 30 Jul 2001 04:10:20
Message: <3b65166c@news.povray.org>
"Kari Kivisalo" <kki### [at] pphtvfi> wrote in message
news:3B6512AF.44DD75E8@pp.htv.fi...
> Thomas Lake wrote:
> >
> > http://www.geocities.com/~thomaslake/test.htm
>
> The active images move a pixel or two to the left. Only the gallery hot
> spot stays put.

Yes I know about this and I plan to fix it. Flash can be very annoying when
positioning objects, the actual position objects end up in seem to be a few
pixels off of where you placed them.


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From: Christoph Hormann
Subject: Re: New Site + Rad slowdown
Date: 30 Jul 2001 04:35:57
Message: <3B651CF5.F5DD864@gmx.de>
Kari Kivisalo wrote:
> 
> > Below are the two images I rendered for this. The pure black and white one
> > took about 5 min to render and the colour one took over 2 1/2 days, can
> > anyone explain this huge discrepancy?
> 
> ! It must be the reflecting and refracting objects as someone pointed out
> a couple of days ago.
> 

Furthermore the additional text objects will slow down things a bit too.

Christoph

-- 
Christoph Hormann <chr### [at] gmxde>
IsoWood include, radiosity tutorial, TransSkin and other 
things on: http://www.schunter.etc.tu-bs.de/~chris/


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From: Rick [Kitty5]
Subject: Re: New Site + Rad slowdown
Date: 30 Jul 2001 08:34:50
Message: <3b65546a@news.povray.org>
text objects are excedingly slow

looks good on the site however, 'tutorials' seems to make the wall behind it
bulge.....


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From: Thomas Lake
Subject: Re: New Site + Rad slowdown
Date: 30 Jul 2001 16:33:30
Message: <3b65c49a$1@news.povray.org>
"Rick [Kitty5]" <ric### [at] kitty5com> wrote in message
news:3b65546a@news.povray.org...
> text objects are excedingly slow
>
> looks good on the site however, 'tutorials' seems to make the wall behind
it
> bulge.....

Yes I know of this, it can be very hard to precisely position objects in
Flash. I'll fix it in the final page.


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From: Thomas Lake
Subject: Re: New Site + Rad slowdown
Date: 30 Jul 2001 16:39:23
Message: <3b65c5fb@news.povray.org>
<snip>

> Furthermore the additional text objects will slow down things a bit too.


Yes I've noticed that text objects are very slow, why is that? I guess I
could improve the speed by importing text meshes from Rhino, amazing that
complex meshes would actually be faster than native text objects. I noticed
that the slowdown was uniform, that is it did not slow down significantly
while rendering the text objects but was even slow while rendering the
blanks white spaces, could this be the result of the ior,rad problem?


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From: Peter Hertel
Subject: Re: New Site + Rad slowdown
Date: 30 Jul 2001 20:09:59
Message: <3b65f757@news.povray.org>
Looks great, apart from the flash glitches already mentioned..
But I belive a first-time visitor will find it difficult to navigate,
especilly the tutorials and the scribblings will be a bit hard to find.
If I was to make it more easy, I would've made a small animation where the
"buttons" blends over from colored to non-colored.
Another thing I noticed, if you move your cursor away before the animation
is ended, the "button" will stay colored, did you intend to have it like
that?

-Peter


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From: Thomas Lake
Subject: Re: New Site + Rad slowdown
Date: 30 Jul 2001 21:14:14
Message: <3b660666@news.povray.org>
> Looks great, apart from the flash glitches already mentioned..
> But I belive a first-time visitor will find it difficult to navigate,

I was a bit worried about that.

> especilly the tutorials and the scribblings will be a bit hard to find.
> If I was to make it more easy, I would've made a small animation where the
> "buttons" blends over from colored to non-colored.

Good idea. I'll think of implimenting something like this.

> Another thing I noticed, if you move your cursor away before the animation
> is ended, the "button" will stay colored, did you intend to have it like
> that?

Well not really but it's the best I could come up with, I spent many hours
trying to think of ways of stopping that but this is the best I could do.


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