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From: Jamie Davison
Subject: Re: Solar Sail
Date: 5 Sep 2000 16:25:29
Message: <MPG.141f5dec9b048129897b7@news.povray.org>
On 5 Sep 2000 14:22:03 -0400, Steve wrote...
> >Looks Deadly... O)
> >If umbrellas could kill...?
> >
> 
> IIRC in the 80s there was a Bulgarian diplomat who got killed
> (or was it him doing the killing), in London with a poison tipped
> umbrella.

IT was a Bulgarian Broadcaster on the BBC world service, I forget his 
name.

The Umbrella was used to inject him with a small (1mm or less diameter, I 
forget off the top of my head) platinum sphere with holes drilled in it, 
filled with Ricin (a rather nasty toxin derived from the Castor plant)

IIRC he died a day or so after being injected from respiratory failure.

Bye for now,
     Jamie.


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From: Peter Popov
Subject: Re: Solar Sail
Date: 5 Sep 2000 16:31:32
Message: <g7larskk494ikeqjlspmvi8s68jhljno9i@4ax.com>
On 5 Sep 2000 14:22:03 -0400, ste### [at] zeroppsuklinuxnet (Steve) wrote:

>On Sun, 03 Sep 2000 17:41:55 -0700, SomeGuy wrote:
>>Looks Deadly... O)
>>If umbrellas could kill...?

>IIRC in the 80s there was a Bulgarian diplomat who got killed
>(or was it him doing the killing), in London with a poison tipped
>umbrella.

The name you're looking for is George Markov. He didn't have any
diplomatic post that I have heard, he was a journalist who was forced
to leave the country for his "inconvenience". Rumour is he was an
agent of an intelligence or two.


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From: SomeGuy
Subject: Re: Solar Sail
Date: 5 Sep 2000 19:30:35
Message: <39B441F8.1AAC9C61@earthlink.net>
I was thinking of rutter like paddled extensions like a old viking ship... Using more
of an airfoil/wind surfer method for steering...?

Could you post or send the code for the sail...?
I'm stuck as to how you do this... It is hand code...?

Simon de Vet wrote:

> Christoph Hormann wrote:
>
> > I remembered having seen something similar in a star trek episode some time ago
> > and did some research:
> >
> > http://clgray.simplenet.com/strtrk/stpics/otherstr/lightship.jpg
>
> I've seen this, but I'm trying to avoid it as much as possible. I posted my images
> on www.scifi-art.com, and was told that mine was one of the first solar sails that
> wasn't a derivative of the trek sail. I like the ship a lot, though...
>
> > Your model seems to lack some sort of steering sail, but the detail work near
> > the center is really impressive.
>
> I've been debating this a bit on www.scifi-art.com. Some think that a solar
> 'rudder' would not work, and others that it would work, but would require a huge
> turning radius (couple of lightyears. Ouch.). Some have reccomended chemical
> thrusters for navigation, but I'd rather stick to light as much as possible.
>
> Anyone have steering ideas?
>
> Simon


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From: Ken
Subject: Re: Solar Sail
Date: 5 Sep 2000 21:55:41
Message: <39B5A3BB.633D4196@pacbell.net>
Chris Huff wrote:

> If you stay within a solar system and don't reach escape velocity, you
> can just use the gravity of the sun or the nearest convenient planet to
> turn around. I don't know how useful solar sails would be outside solar
> systems.

A few years ago Arthur C. Clark wrote a book on the subject. One of
the articles mentioned intersteller travel using solars sails with
the assitance of space based sun driven laser systems. The speculation
was that it is possible to not only drive a craft to a nearby star
with a laser but it is also possible to return it with the same
system. You can use tacking (just like in sailing against the wind)
for the return trip. It would naturaly take longer to return but
it is technically feasable.

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From: David Fontaine
Subject: Re: Solar Sail
Date: 5 Sep 2000 23:30:51
Message: <39B5B98A.1546E6F8@faricy.net>
Mark Wagner wrote:

> Simon de Vet wrote in message <39B40FF7.5EAD3DC8@istar.ca>...
> >[1] Stands for 'NotLikeTea' [2]
> >[2] Bonus points if anyone gets the reference.
>
> From "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy", referring to a device that
> invariably produces a beverage almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea.

Made by Cirius Cybernetics?

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From: Steve
Subject: Re: Solar Sail
Date: 6 Sep 2000 09:56:21
Message: <slrn8rcb3a.gnp.steve@zero-pps.localdomain>
On Tue, 05 Sep 2000 23:27:00 +0300, Peter Popov wrote:
>On 5 Sep 2000 14:22:03 -0400, ste### [at] zeroppsuklinuxnet (Steve) wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2000 17:41:55 -0700, SomeGuy wrote:
>>>Looks Deadly... O)
>>>If umbrellas could kill...?
>
>>IIRC in the 80s there was a Bulgarian diplomat who got killed
>>(or was it him doing the killing), in London with a poison tipped
>>umbrella.
>
>The name you're looking for is George Markov. He didn't have any
>diplomatic post that I have heard, he was a journalist who was forced
>to leave the country for his "inconvenience". Rumour is he was an
>agent of an intelligence or two.
>

I seem to remember there being some involvment with the East German
Secret Police.  It was really big news at the time, they were 
talking about the James Bond type killing etc.  

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From: Jamie Davison
Subject: Re: Solar Sail
Date: 6 Sep 2000 17:24:33
Message: <MPG.1420c56ffe6c71219897be@news.povray.org>
On Tue, 05 Sep 2000 22:27:06 -0500, David Fontaine wrote...
> > >[1] Stands for 'NotLikeTea' [2]
> > >[2] Bonus points if anyone gets the reference.
> >
> > From "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy", referring to a device that
> > invariably produces a beverage almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea.
> 
> Made by Cirius Cybernetics?

Sirius Cybernetics With their motto, of either 'Share and Enjoy' Or, and 
I much prefer this one - 'Go Stick Your Head In A Pig'

<grin>

Bye for now,
     Jamie.


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From: Ken Matassa
Subject: Re: Solar Sail
Date: 7 Sep 2000 00:17:52
Message: <39B71213.6801@pacbell.net>
Nice attention to detail.

Ken Matassa


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From: Anton Sherwood
Subject: Re: Solar Sail
Date: 9 Sep 2000 23:39:46
Message: <39BB040C.6D20C1@pobox.com>
Jamie Davison wrote:
> Erm, Solar sails aren't really massively steerable, unless you can find
> another source of light pressure to fly away from.

The transfer of momentum to/from a reflected photon, and thus the force
of light-pressure on the sail, is perpendicular to the sail.  You steer
by changing the angle of the sail to the sun.

For maximum efficiency, i guess the sail needs to be flat.

-- 
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From: Anton Sherwood
Subject: Re: Solar Sail
Date: 9 Sep 2000 23:43:08
Message: <39BB04D5.8CDAE91@pobox.com>
Ken wrote:
> A few years ago Arthur C. Clark wrote a book on the subject. One of
> the articles mentioned intersteller travel using solars sails with
> the assitance of space based sun driven laser systems. The speculation
> was that it is possible to not only drive a craft to a nearby star
> with a laser but it is also possible to return it with the same
> system. You can use tacking (just like in sailing against the wind)
> for the return trip. It would naturaly take longer to return but
> it is technically feasable.

Against the `wind' *and* against the gravity of the star at the other
end?

In Robert Forward's _The Flight of the Dragonfly_ / _Rocheworld_, the
ship jettisons part of its sail when it approaches the target, and uses
light reflected from that part to brake.

-- 
Anton Sherwood  --  br0### [at] p0b0xcom  --  http://ogre.nu/


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