I think that might bee too far to the left (west) for me to see.  I'm on a
hillside (or mountain if you go by the names around here) and another part of
the hill juts out on my northwest side.  It might be close though, Minor Hill is
the other side of Athens from me and about twice as far; I think I can see part
of Athens.
  Here's another picture of the Saturn V rocket now that the haze has cleared
since rain last night.  It's much better than it was but the camera is still
making it very unsharp.  At least now people should be able to see better what I
was trying to render.  The digital camera really messes it up though (640x480
res.)
  The other two things you will see are the top part of the other Saturn rocket
(I forgot about the mirroring of the telescope, left is right) that used to be
the tallest thing there, inbetween them is the Moon Shot ride (then that was
tallest) with a flag on top,  although you can't see it well in this photograph.
Looking directly through the telescope it's plain enough to make out the
stripes.
  Oh, and the dark stuff is tree branches.

Bob

"Jay Raney" <jay### [at] usitnet> wrote in message news:38B8EAB3.8A8553DD@usit.net...
| Yeah,
| The rocket at the rest-area is actually closer to where I am. I remember they
| erected the one you rendered as part of a celebration last year. You must have
a
| fairly high vantage point to be able to see these landmarks.
| Hey, there is a new tower standing in Minor Hill TN I'll bet you could see. I
| believe its a viacom tower. Its only been there a few months. Its actually
right
| behind my wifes parents house. Its 1/4 mile high, and the lights are
_unbelievably_
| bright, although the top light was out last week when I was there. I can see
it
| flashing clearly from all the way across the county probably 25 miles or more.
Its
| huge.
|
| Jay Raney
|
| Bob Hughes wrote:
|
| > Hey, then you know of the rocket (I think) at the I-65 freeway visitors
center
| > (rest stop) on the southbound side.  I can actually see that one too, it's
| > almost blocked by a closer hill.  That same type rocket (identical?) is just
| > like the other one there at S&R Center which I could only see the top part
of
| > since it's a much smaller rocket.  The space shuttle on display there is
| > completely hidden from view because of it lying down instead of standing up.
| > This one I rendered was put on display last summer for those who don't know
| > about it.
| >
| > Bob
| >
| > "Jay Raney" <jay### [at] usitnet> wrote in message
news:38B7B12B.A45A388A@usit.net...
| > | Hi Bob,
| > | I did know what to expect from the subject line, as I live aprox 40 miles
away
| > from
| > | the Space & Rocket Center, in Tennessee. Its one of my favorite places to
| > visit.
| > | Your render looks remarkably accurate. I hope to get a good telescope one
of
| > these
| > | days. :)
| > |
| > | Jay Raney
| > |
| > | Bob Hughes wrote:
| > |
| > | > I was taking some digital camera pictures through my telescope recently
and
| > | > thought that it would be a great thing to try and duplicate in POV-Ray.
The
| > air
| > | > turbulence and haze and general telescopic appearance seemed perfect to
try
| > and
| > | > mimic.
| > | > I had taken both night-time (never got one that looked bright enough)
and
| > | > day-time photos with a 640x480 resolution camera through the eyepiece
(yes,
| > the
| > | > eyepiece) of a 4" SCT scope of 1200 focal length and 18mm lens, making
for a
| > 67
| > | > power magnification.
| > | > Anyway, these two renders are surprisingly similar to what I could see
with
| > my
| > | > eyes but not quite what turned out on the camera.  So you can see for
| > yourselves
| > | > the attachments are both real and raytraced, you'll just have to believe
me
| > when
| > | > I say POV-Ray did much closer to the real thing than the photos did.
| > | > BTW, the photos were reduced in size by half to get rid of the ugly
| > pixelization
| > | > and I post-processed the renders to add some ugliness-- I meant
| > photographic--
| > | > look to them  :-)
| > | >
| > | > Bob
| > | > --
| > | > omniVerse http://users.aol.com/persistenceofv/all.htm
| > | >
| > | >  [Image]
| > | >
| > | >  [Image]
| > |
|

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Wow, much clearer. 

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"Steve" <sjl### [at] ndirectcouk> wrote in message
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| Wow, much clearer.

Isn't it though?  And now I'll have to redo my surrounding terrain.  I couldn't
see anything of it before.  That digital camera is awful, I actually used to
like it before I had seen megapixel cameras.

Bob

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On Mon, 28 Feb 2000 08:00:03 -0600, Bob Hughes wrote:
>"Steve" <sjl### [at] ndirectcouk> wrote in message
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>| Wow, much clearer.
>
>Isn't it though?  And now I'll have to redo my surrounding terrain.  I couldn't
>see anything of it before.  That digital camera is awful, I actually used to
>like it before I had seen megapixel cameras.

Yes in the real life version they've forgotten to render that hill with the 
trees on it. Maybe their copy of Teragen is corrupted. 

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Wow, great picture from such a distance.
What kind of telescope do you have?

Jay Raney

Bob Hughes wrote:

>   I think that might bee too far to the left (west) for me to see.  I'm on a
> hillside (or mountain if you go by the names around here) and another part of
> the hill juts out on my northwest side.  It might be close though, Minor Hill is
> the other side of Athens from me and about twice as far; I think I can see part
> of Athens.
>   Here's another picture of the Saturn V rocket now that the haze has cleared
> since rain last night.  It's much better than it was but the camera is still
> making it very unsharp.  At least now people should be able to see better what I
> was trying to render.  The digital camera really messes it up though (640x480
> res.)
>   The other two things you will see are the top part of the other Saturn rocket
> (I forgot about the mirroring of the telescope, left is right) that used to be
> the tallest thing there, inbetween them is the Moon Shot ride (then that was
> tallest) with a flag on top,  although you can't see it well in this photograph.
> Looking directly through the telescope it's plain enough to make out the
> stripes.
>   Oh, and the dark stuff is tree branches.
>
> Bob
>
> "Jay Raney" <jay### [at] usitnet> wrote in message news:38B8EAB3.8A8553DD@usit.net...
> | Yeah,
> | The rocket at the rest-area is actually closer to where I am. I remember they
> | erected the one you rendered as part of a celebration last year. You must have
> a
> | fairly high vantage point to be able to see these landmarks.
> | Hey, there is a new tower standing in Minor Hill TN I'll bet you could see. I
> | believe its a viacom tower. Its only been there a few months. Its actually
> right
> | behind my wifes parents house. Its 1/4 mile high, and the lights are
> _unbelievably_
> | bright, although the top light was out last week when I was there. I can see
> it
> | flashing clearly from all the way across the county probably 25 miles or more.
> Its
> | huge.
> |
> | Jay Raney
> |
> | Bob Hughes wrote:
> |
> | > Hey, then you know of the rocket (I think) at the I-65 freeway visitors
> center
> | > (rest stop) on the southbound side.  I can actually see that one too, it's
> | > almost blocked by a closer hill.  That same type rocket (identical?) is just
> | > like the other one there at S&R Center which I could only see the top part
> of
> | > since it's a much smaller rocket.  The space shuttle on display there is
> | > completely hidden from view because of it lying down instead of standing up.
> | > This one I rendered was put on display last summer for those who don't know
> | > about it.
> | >
> | > Bob
> | >
> | > "Jay Raney" <jay### [at] usitnet> wrote in message
> news:38B7B12B.A45A388A@usit.net...
> | > | Hi Bob,
> | > | I did know what to expect from the subject line, as I live aprox 40 miles
> away
> | > from
> | > | the Space & Rocket Center, in Tennessee. Its one of my favorite places to
> | > visit.
> | > | Your render looks remarkably accurate. I hope to get a good telescope one
> of
> | > these
> | > | days. :)
> | > |
> | > | Jay Raney
> | > |
> | > | Bob Hughes wrote:
> | > |
> | > | > I was taking some digital camera pictures through my telescope recently
> and
> | > | > thought that it would be a great thing to try and duplicate in POV-Ray.
> The
> | > air
> | > | > turbulence and haze and general telescopic appearance seemed perfect to
> try
> | > and
> | > | > mimic.
> | > | > I had taken both night-time (never got one that looked bright enough)
> and
> | > | > day-time photos with a 640x480 resolution camera through the eyepiece
> (yes,
> | > the
> | > | > eyepiece) of a 4" SCT scope of 1200 focal length and 18mm lens, making
> for a
> | > 67
> | > | > power magnification.
> | > | > Anyway, these two renders are surprisingly similar to what I could see
> with
> | > my
> | > | > eyes but not quite what turned out on the camera.  So you can see for
> | > yourselves
> | > | > the attachments are both real and raytraced, you'll just have to believe
> me
> | > when
> | > | > I say POV-Ray did much closer to the real thing than the photos did.
> | > | > BTW, the photos were reduced in size by half to get rid of the ugly
> | > pixelization
> | > | > and I post-processed the renders to add some ugliness-- I meant
> | > photographic--
> | > | > look to them  :-)
> | > | >
> | > | > Bob
> | > | > --
> | > | > omniVerse http://users.aol.com/persistenceofv/all.htm
> | > | >
> | > | >  [Image]
> | > | >
> | > | >  [Image]
> | > |
> |
>
>  [Image]

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Hi Jay.  Gee you sure had a lot of previous messages retained in that one of
yours  ;-)  well, gone now.
The scope is a Bausch&Lomb Criterion 4000, their 4 inch Schmidt-Cassegrain
spotting scope/telescope.  I have a camera adapter for the 35mm SLR but film is
slow to use and I don't have a scanner.
Dual reasons for not having a larger telescope: money (#1) and portability.  I
sometimes think how nice it would be to be able to see galaxies, besides
Andromeda M31 and such bright things but again the money  :-)

Bob

"Jay Raney" <jay### [at] usitnet> wrote in message news:38BB129F.87E7F865@usit.net...
| Wow, great picture from such a distance.
| What kind of telescope do you have?

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:) Yeah money,

I had a cheap telescope when I was growing up, but I couldnt get enough of looking
at craters on the moon, or at my neighbors house down the street. I've wanted
another 'better' telescope for a long time. I have a daughter that would really
love it too. But alas, money.

I havent really priced telescopes in a long time. What should you spend to get a
decent telescope?

Bob Hughes wrote:

> Hi Jay.  Gee you sure had a lot of previous messages retained in that one of
> yours  ;-)  well, gone now.
> The scope is a Bausch&Lomb Criterion 4000, their 4 inch Schmidt-Cassegrain
> spotting scope/telescope.  I have a camera adapter for the 35mm SLR but film is
> slow to use and I don't have a scanner.
> Dual reasons for not having a larger telescope: money (#1) and portability.  I
> sometimes think how nice it would be to be able to see galaxies, besides
> Andromeda M31 and such bright things but again the money  :-)
>
> Bob
>
> "Jay Raney" <jay### [at] usitnet> wrote in message news:38BB129F.87E7F865@usit.net...
> | Wow, great picture from such a distance.
> | What kind of telescope do you have?

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"Jay Raney" <jay### [at] usitnet> wrote :
>
> I havent really priced telescopes in a long time. What should you spend to
get a
> decent telescope?
>

    Too wide of a description... I have a $25 one that I use with my 4 yr
old. I am looking at a $150 one for his upgrade, any day now. I have my eye
on a $800 one for if/when he really shows an interest. This one would be
satisfying for me as well as him, but they are all "decent" for the price...

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Mine was a little less than $500.  I think you could get an okay one for a
couple hundred so long as you didn't want it to be clock-driven, that's one
thing that can make a big price difference.  Other things would be computer
control but then that usually means clock drive as well anyway.
Tripods count in as well.  I don't have one, just the fork mounting and base.
So if you skip that or go with a Dobsonian type it can be a substantial amount
less too.
You could probably get a "decent" 8 to 10 inch reflector telescope now for
around $200+ to $400+ new, Meade Starfinder for example.

Bob

"Bill DeWitt" <the### [at] earthlinknet> wrote in message
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|
| "Jay Raney" <jay### [at] usitnet> wrote :
| >
| > I havent really priced telescopes in a long time. What should you spend to
| get a
| > decent telescope?
| >
|
|     Too wide of a description... I have a $25 one that I use with my 4 yr
| old. I am looking at a $150 one for his upgrade, any day now. I have my eye
| on a $800 one for if/when he really shows an interest. This one would be
| satisfying for me as well as him, but they are all "decent" for the price...
|
|

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Bob Hughes wrote:

> You could probably get a "decent" 8 to 10 inch reflector telescope now for
> around $200+ to $400+ new, Meade Starfinder for example.

I often see these advertised used in the classifieds for around $50 - $150.

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