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Charles Krause wrote:
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> I always thought that would be a _real_ accomplishment of sword-modelers,
> would be the accuarate representation of a Katana. Probably the type whose
> edge and back of blade followed the radius of different circles would be
> easiest. However, the blades are actually very complex shapes, and the fact
> that the metal is not uniform throughout the blade but is purposly hardened
> to different crystalline structures in different parts of the blade makes
> for some quite beautiful, and very hard to procedurally model!, textures.
> And let's not even THINK about doing a wapped handle accuratly,and as far as
> the orbate tsuaba got........ *shudder*
>
> Still - it is probably _the_ sword modellers ultimate challenge. Someday
> when I have a few months spare time, I may start pulling textbooks on
> Japanese sword smithing off the shelf a give it a whirl, but not today.
>
> The image? Damn close in any case :) Best approximation of that style of
> blade I've seen I think :)
I have longed for the talent to accurately model an edged weapon. I have
a couple of small books on the subject, one for knives the other mostly
french cutlass and broad swords, and buy the occasional magazine off of
the rack when something catches my fancy.
The textures would be a bit of a challenge but I think I could master
that with little effort. What has had me stumped is how to hollow grind
a curving edge without leaving scratches of blemishes from the operation.
Some of the finest cutting blades in the world have what is called a hollow
grind above the cutting edge.
It forms a gully of sorts that is actually deeper than the majority of
the taped thickness of the bevel leading to the sharpened edge. The
advantage of the hollow grind for those curious to know is that when the
material that is being cut into passes the keen sharpened edge of the
cutting tool the material has a very smooth edge that adheres to the flat
smooth surface of the blade. This causes jerky or start and stop cutting
sessions and is a nuisance.
The hollow ground blade limits this by allowing the material to start to
heal back towards itself and then is quickly angled outward breaking its
suction like grip to the surface of the blade. This action gives much
smoother cutting through materials much thicker than the height of the
blade and serves as a self cleaning process as well. In consequence this
reduced build up of compounds that will foul the cutting operation leading
to successful cutting operation with a repeatability that is refreshing.
The hollow grind operation is relatively easy on the right machining
equipment and the odd scratch of two can be eliminated by buffing it out
on a buffing and polishing wheel. Pov csg operations are not quite as
forgiving in this regard and forming a uniform indent in a curved surface
is uniquely challenging. Added to that is the limitation of having no way
to polish out any blemishes left by csg operations as you would be capable
of in the real world.
I think that I will continue to evaluate my thoughts about this for a
while before thinking about thoughtfully attempting a well thought out
approach to this thought provoking yet stimulating little problem.
--
Ken Tyler
mailto://tylereng@pacbell.net
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Charles Krause wrote in message <370a0952.0@news.povray.org>...
>The image? Damn close in any case :) Best approximation of that style of
>blade I've seen I think :)
>
Thanks. I think the only way to do a katana blade accurately would
be to use something like sPatch to model it and uv-mapped material maps
to texture. If I need a highly detailed katana (the pic was medium-low
detail)
I may play with the idea.
Gail
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Hmm, i didn't realise your fashination for killing things... Now I see.. :-)
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What I can do and what I could do, I just don't know anymore
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Well, you won the award. A great sword.
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//Spider
[ spi### [at] bahnhofse ]-[ http://www.bahnhof.se/~spider/ ]
What I can do and what I could do, I just don't know anymore
"Marian"
By: "Sisters Of Mercy"
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Spider wrote in message <370A65D0.7C4CF71D@bahnhof.se>...
>Hmm, i didn't realise your fashination for killing things... Now I see..
:-)
>
>
<grin> now you know.
Where did you say you lived.... <g>
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Boy doesn't it just put a real crimp in your day when sword doesn't come out of
your victim cleanly:-)
Ken wrote:
> Charles Krause wrote:
> >
> > I always thought that would be a _real_ accomplishment of sword-modelers,
> > would be the accuarate representation of a Katana. Probably the type whose
> > edge and back of blade followed the radius of different circles would be
> > easiest. However, the blades are actually very complex shapes, and the fact
> > that the metal is not uniform throughout the blade but is purposly hardened
> > to different crystalline structures in different parts of the blade makes
> > for some quite beautiful, and very hard to procedurally model!, textures.
> > And let's not even THINK about doing a wapped handle accuratly,and as far as
> > the orbate tsuaba got........ *shudder*
> >
> > Still - it is probably _the_ sword modellers ultimate challenge. Someday
> > when I have a few months spare time, I may start pulling textbooks on
> > Japanese sword smithing off the shelf a give it a whirl, but not today.
> >
> > The image? Damn close in any case :) Best approximation of that style of
> > blade I've seen I think :)
>
> I have longed for the talent to accurately model an edged weapon. I have
> a couple of small books on the subject, one for knives the other mostly
> french cutlass and broad swords, and buy the occasional magazine off of
> the rack when something catches my fancy.
> The textures would be a bit of a challenge but I think I could master
> that with little effort. What has had me stumped is how to hollow grind
> a curving edge without leaving scratches of blemishes from the operation.
> Some of the finest cutting blades in the world have what is called a hollow
> grind above the cutting edge.
> It forms a gully of sorts that is actually deeper than the majority of
> the taped thickness of the bevel leading to the sharpened edge. The
> advantage of the hollow grind for those curious to know is that when the
> material that is being cut into passes the keen sharpened edge of the
> cutting tool the material has a very smooth edge that adheres to the flat
> smooth surface of the blade. This causes jerky or start and stop cutting
> sessions and is a nuisance.
> The hollow ground blade limits this by allowing the material to start to
> heal back towards itself and then is quickly angled outward breaking its
> suction like grip to the surface of the blade. This action gives much
> smoother cutting through materials much thicker than the height of the
> blade and serves as a self cleaning process as well. In consequence this
> reduced build up of compounds that will foul the cutting operation leading
> to successful cutting operation with a repeatability that is refreshing.
> The hollow grind operation is relatively easy on the right machining
> equipment and the odd scratch of two can be eliminated by buffing it out
> on a buffing and polishing wheel. Pov csg operations are not quite as
> forgiving in this regard and forming a uniform indent in a curved surface
> is uniquely challenging. Added to that is the limitation of having no way
> to polish out any blemishes left by csg operations as you would be capable
> of in the real world.
>
> I think that I will continue to evaluate my thoughts about this for a
> while before thinking about thoughtfully attempting a well thought out
> approach to this thought provoking yet stimulating little problem.
>
> --
> Ken Tyler
>
> mailto://tylereng@pacbell.net
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Thomas Lake wrote in message <370B317C.F62CF3DA@home.com>...
>Boy doesn't it just put a real crimp in your day when sword doesn't come
out of
>your victim cleanly:-)
>
Yeah - that's why the steretypical 'killing stroke' with a Katana (and NOT
because of HIGHLANDER, thankyouverymuch, it has historical basis) is to just
lop off the head with a single stroke :P
:)
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Charles Krause wrote:
>
> Thomas Lake wrote in message <370B317C.F62CF3DA@home.com>...
> >Boy doesn't it just put a real crimp in your day when sword doesn't come
> out of
> >your victim cleanly:-)
> >
>
> Yeah - that's why the steretypical 'killing stroke' with a Katana (and NOT
> because of HIGHLANDER, thankyouverymuch, it has historical basis) is to just
> lop off the head with a single stroke :P
>
> :)
It is also considered bad form to be seen trying to saw your way
through a victims body parts with a sword. One swell foop is the
prefered method choosen by professionals everywhere.
--
Ken Tyler
mailto://tylereng@pacbell.net
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On Wed, 7 Apr 1999 08:10:18 -0600, "Charles Krause"
<osi### [at] cheerfulcom> wrote:
>
>Thomas Lake wrote in message <370B317C.F62CF3DA@home.com>...
>>Boy doesn't it just put a real crimp in your day when sword doesn't come
>out of
>>your victim cleanly:-)
>>
>
>
>Yeah - that's why the steretypical 'killing stroke' with a Katana (and NOT
>because of HIGHLANDER, thankyouverymuch, it has historical basis) is to just
>lop off the head with a single stroke :P
That, and so you could carry the head off on the end of a knife and
put it in a box for display. Samurai used to spend hours doing their
hair before a battle so that their head would look good if a foe thus
enshrined it.
Jerry Anning
clem "at" dhol "dot" com
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Presumably the secret wig wearers whould have been
found out in what should have been their hour of
glory and honour (having died for the Emperor).
Steve
Jerry Anning wrote:
>
> On Wed, 7 Apr 1999 08:10:18 -0600, "Charles Krause"
> <osi### [at] cheerfulcom> wrote:
>
> >
> >Thomas Lake wrote in message <370B317C.F62CF3DA@home.com>...
> >>Boy doesn't it just put a real crimp in your day when sword doesn't come
> >out of
> >>your victim cleanly:-)
> >>
> >
> >
> >Yeah - that's why the steretypical 'killing stroke' with a Katana (and NOT
> >because of HIGHLANDER, thankyouverymuch, it has historical basis) is to just
> >lop off the head with a single stroke :P
>
> That, and so you could carry the head off on the end of a knife and
> put it in a box for display. Samurai used to spend hours doing their
> hair before a battle so that their head would look good if a foe thus
> enshrined it.
>
> Jerry Anning
> clem "at" dhol "dot" com
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