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From: clipka
Subject: Re: Pannellum
Date: 4 Apr 2017 09:25:36
Message: <58e39ed0$1@news.povray.org>
Am 03.04.2017 um 21:47 schrieb omniverse:

> What is really strange about it, to me, is how one of the nearby artifacts
> (after moving scene around) appears to have a 90 degree angle going on.
> The square shapes form a sort of floor and wall, if thinking of it as partially
> covering tiles without seams where they meet.
> Hopefully you can see or find that too.

My guess is that the 360 degree image format is using a cube model, and
what you see is the edge of that box.


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From: clipka
Subject: Re: Pannellum
Date: 4 Apr 2017 09:27:55
Message: <58e39f5b$1@news.povray.org>
Am 04.04.2017 um 11:59 schrieb Kenneth:
> Mike Horvath <mik### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> 
>>
>> Here are my global settings. Radiosity is disabled.
>>
>>
>> global_settings
>> {
>>  charset utf8
> ......
> [snip]
> 
> Although I haven't seen your animation yet, the   charset utf  entry caught my
> eye. Wasn't there another recent post about artefacts due to that? I think it
> was in the post about the "Dokken" logo not rendering correctly.

"charset utf8" can't give you genuine render artifacts. It can only give
you wrong character shapes in a `text` object.


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From: Mike Horvath
Subject: Re: Pannellum
Date: 4 Apr 2017 22:17:03
Message: <58e4539f$1@news.povray.org>
On 4/4/2017 9:25 AM, clipka wrote:
> Am 03.04.2017 um 21:47 schrieb omniverse:
>
>> What is really strange about it, to me, is how one of the nearby artifacts
>> (after moving scene around) appears to have a 90 degree angle going on.
>> The square shapes form a sort of floor and wall, if thinking of it as partially
>> covering tiles without seams where they meet.
>> Hopefully you can see or find that too.
>
> My guess is that the 360 degree image format is using a cube model, and
> what you see is the edge of that box.
>


Yes, it uses 6 images to form a cube map. The artifacts are distributed 
randomly across each of the 6 images.


Mike


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From: Mike Horvath
Subject: Re: Pannellum
Date: 4 Apr 2017 22:21:18
Message: <58e4549e$1@news.povray.org>
On 4/2/2017 9:08 PM, Mike Horvath wrote:
> On 4/2/2017 8:52 PM, Mike Horvath wrote:
>> I updated my spaceship scene and rendered new frames to be used with
>> Pannellum panorama viewer.
>>
>> http://isometricland.net/panorama/pannellum.htm?config=pano-gh-scene-spinner.json
>>
>>
>>
>> I still was not able to turn the interior atmosphere due to render
>> times. Even on the 16-core MS Azure server I am using for my renders
>> this month, things were taking too long.
>>
>> Enjoy.
>>
>>
>> Mike
>
> Forgot to mention there are strange square shaped artifacts in the blue
> end caps of the scene. They exist in the source images as well. I don't
> know what causes them.
>
>
> Mike


Forgot to say I think the artifacts are the same size as the "render 
blocks" (or whatever they're called) when rendering any scene. Sort of 
like the mosaic preview.


Mike


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From: Mike Horvath
Subject: Re: Pannellum
Date: 6 Apr 2017 18:15:44
Message: <58e6be10$1@news.povray.org>
On 4/2/2017 8:52 PM, Mike Horvath wrote:
> I updated my spaceship scene and rendered new frames to be used with
> Pannellum panorama viewer.
>
> http://isometricland.net/panorama/pannellum.htm?config=pano-gh-scene-spinner.json
>
>
> I still was not able to turn the interior atmosphere due to render
> times. Even on the 16-core MS Azure server I am using for my renders
> this month, things were taking too long.
>
> Enjoy.
>
>
> Mike

I rendered a higher resolution version of the scene.

http://isometricland.net/panorama/pannellum.htm?config=pano-gh-scene-spinner.json

It includes some but not all of the fixes I have been working on over 
the last few days. I will probably do another render sometime soon, 
though not at the same high resolution because it takes so long.


Mike


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Pannellum
Date: 6 Apr 2017 18:35:27
Message: <58e6c2af$1@news.povray.org>
On 4/6/2017 11:16 PM, Mike Horvath wrote:
> On 4/2/2017 8:52 PM, Mike Horvath wrote:
>> I updated my spaceship scene and rendered new frames to be used with
>> Pannellum panorama viewer.
>>
>> http://isometricland.net/panorama/pannellum.htm?config=pano-gh-scene-spinner.json
>>
>>
>>
>> I still was not able to turn the interior atmosphere due to render
>> times. Even on the 16-core MS Azure server I am using for my renders
>> this month, things were taking too long.
>>
>> Enjoy.
>>
>>
>> Mike
>
> I rendered a higher resolution version of the scene.
>
> http://isometricland.net/panorama/pannellum.htm?config=pano-gh-scene-spinner.json
>
>
> It includes some but not all of the fixes I have been working on over
> the last few days. I will probably do another render sometime soon,
> though not at the same high resolution because it takes so long.
>
>

Okay I'll bite. How long did it take?

It is really good.

What's puzzling me is what looks like a shadow along the three arms of 
the support.

-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: Mike Horvath
Subject: Re: Pannellum
Date: 6 Apr 2017 20:05:12
Message: <58e6d7b8@news.povray.org>
On 4/6/2017 6:35 PM, Stephen wrote:
> On 4/6/2017 11:16 PM, Mike Horvath wrote:
>> It includes some but not all of the fixes I have been working on over
>> the last few days. I will probably do another render sometime soon,
>> though not at the same high resolution because it takes so long.
>>
>>
>
> Okay I'll bite. How long did it take?
>

It took 2-3 days on a rented Microsoft Azure server. On my home PC it 
would have taken 7-10 days I think. That's without the atmospheric media 
I wanted to use in the scene, or the radiosity.


> It is really good.
>

Thanks! I have been working on it since ~2010 I think. Maybe earlier.


> What's puzzling me is what looks like a shadow along the three arms of
> the support.
>

I don't know either.


Mike


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Pannellum
Date: 6 Apr 2017 20:34:21
Message: <58e6de8d$1@news.povray.org>
On 4/7/2017 1:06 AM, Mike Horvath wrote:
> On 4/6/2017 6:35 PM, Stephen wrote:
>> On 4/6/2017 11:16 PM, Mike Horvath wrote:
>>> It includes some but not all of the fixes I have been working on over
>>> the last few days. I will probably do another render sometime soon,
>>> though not at the same high resolution because it takes so long.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Okay I'll bite. How long did it take?
>>
>
> It took 2-3 days on a rented Microsoft Azure server. On my home PC it
> would have taken 7-10 days I think. That's without the atmospheric media
> I wanted to use in the scene, or the radiosity.
>


Ah! that's not CPU ticks I hear. It is the sound of cents draining out 
of your pocket. ;)

It was worth it. :)

>
>> It is really good.
>>
>
> Thanks! I have been working on it since ~2010 I think. Maybe earlier.
>
>

I remember the early posts and versions. Then you went quiet.


>> What's puzzling me is what looks like a shadow along the three arms of
>> the support.
>>
>
> I don't know either.
>

The strange thing is it looks familiar. I used a similar shape for a 
flywheel, years ago.

-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: Mike Horvath
Subject: Re: Pannellum
Date: 6 Apr 2017 22:51:04
Message: <58e6fe98$1@news.povray.org>
On 4/6/2017 8:34 PM, Stephen wrote:
> On 4/7/2017 1:06 AM, Mike Horvath wrote:
>> On 4/6/2017 6:35 PM, Stephen wrote:
>>> On 4/6/2017 11:16 PM, Mike Horvath wrote:
>>>> It includes some but not all of the fixes I have been working on over
>>>> the last few days. I will probably do another render sometime soon,
>>>> though not at the same high resolution because it takes so long.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Okay I'll bite. How long did it take?
>>>
>>
>> It took 2-3 days on a rented Microsoft Azure server. On my home PC it
>> would have taken 7-10 days I think. That's without the atmospheric media
>> I wanted to use in the scene, or the radiosity.
>>
>
>
> Ah! that's not CPU ticks I hear. It is the sound of cents draining out
> of your pocket. ;)
>
> It was worth it. :)
>

Well, I am using the free trial period/balance you get when you create 
an account. You get $200 which you can spend in 30 days. I have almost 
used all $200.

Google offers $300 that you can spend in 12 months, as well as a 
discount if you use Linux instead of Windows. I will be doing that next.

>>
>>> It is really good.
>>>
>>
>> Thanks! I have been working on it since ~2010 I think. Maybe earlier.
>>
>>
>
> I remember the early posts and versions. Then you went quiet.
>
>

I put it aside as render times were getting too long using just my home 
PC. I am impatient.


>>> What's puzzling me is what looks like a shadow along the three arms of
>>> the support.
>>>
>>
>> I don't know either.
>>
>
> The strange thing is it looks familiar. I used a similar shape for a
> flywheel, years ago.
>

The "caps" on each end of the habitat are actually a little concave, 
too, like a dish. Maybe that is influencing the render?


Mike


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Pannellum
Date: 7 Apr 2017 06:09:50
Message: <58e7656e$1@news.povray.org>
On 4/7/2017 3:51 AM, Mike Horvath wrote:
> On 4/6/2017 8:34 PM, Stephen wrote:
>> On 4/7/2017 1:06 AM, Mike Horvath wrote:
>>> On 4/6/2017 6:35 PM, Stephen wrote:
>>>> On 4/6/2017 11:16 PM, Mike Horvath wrote:
>>>>> It includes some but not all of the fixes I have been working on over
>>>>> the last few days. I will probably do another render sometime soon,
>>>>> though not at the same high resolution because it takes so long.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Okay I'll bite. How long did it take?
>>>>
>>>
>>> It took 2-3 days on a rented Microsoft Azure server. On my home PC it
>>> would have taken 7-10 days I think. That's without the atmospheric media
>>> I wanted to use in the scene, or the radiosity.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Ah! that's not CPU ticks I hear. It is the sound of cents draining out
>> of your pocket. ;)
>>
>> It was worth it. :)
>>
>
> Well, I am using the free trial period/balance you get when you create
> an account. You get $200 which you can spend in 30 days. I have almost
> used all $200.
>
> Google offers $300 that you can spend in 12 months, as well as a
> discount if you use Linux instead of Windows. I will be doing that next.
>


It is certainly cheaper and tidier than buying hardware.


>>>
>>>> It is really good.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks! I have been working on it since ~2010 I think. Maybe earlier.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I remember the early posts and versions. Then you went quiet.
>>
>>
>
> I put it aside as render times were getting too long using just my home
> PC. I am impatient.
>
>

I've lost count of the projects I've abandoned for that reason.


>>>> What's puzzling me is what looks like a shadow along the three arms of
>>>> the support.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I don't know either.
>>>
>>
>> The strange thing is it looks familiar. I used a similar shape for a
>> flywheel, years ago.
>>
>
> The "caps" on each end of the habitat are actually a little concave,
> too, like a dish. Maybe that is influencing the render?
>
>

I've had a look at some of my old files and think I must be remembering 
one of your original posts that puzzled me. (At least my long term 
memory is still working. ;) )


-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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