"Bill DeWitt" <the### [at] earthlinknet> wrote in message
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| "Zeger Knaepen" <zeg### [at] yahoocom> wrote in message
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| > But I think a scorpion has 10 legs.
|
| Well, it should have 8 legs plus the claws. But the interesting thing
about
| insects and arachnids is that they have legs for mouths and legs for sex
| organs and legs for lungs and legs for antennae and legs for eyes (using a
| wide definition for 'legs')

Or creepy, guess it depends on your point of view.

| http://www.york.biosis.org/zrdocs/zoolinfo/zoolinfo.htm
|
|     ...has good pictures at the link below...
|
| http://www.york.biosis.org/zrdocs/zoolinfo/grp_arac.htm#Scorpiones

This was a great reference to see, thanks Bill.  I found only one that
looked similar enough to the ones I see around here:
http://wrbu.si.edu/www/stockwell/photos/v_globosus.jpg
It's too glossy though.  Would need to be duller and more brown on the body,
tail, and forelimbs(?);  I couldn't call those legs since they act more like
arms with claw hands.
Far as numbers of things go I was counting tail and body segments on all the
pictures I looked at and they remain the same for each kind.  6 for the tail
and 7 for the body (less 1 for the head I guess), and even though they all
look about the same their sizes and shapes of tails and claws vary a lot.
Really interesting stuff.   In a way.
I was way off on the leg orientations, need to lay flatter to the ground.

Bob

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Bill DeWitt <the### [at] earthlinknet> schreef in berichtnieuws
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> "Zeger Knaepen" <zeg### [at] yahoocom> wrote in message
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> > Nice!
> > But I think a scorpion has 10 legs.
>
> Well, it should have 8 legs plus the claws. But the interesting thing
about
> insects and arachnids is that they have legs for mouths and legs for sex
> organs and legs for lungs and legs for antennae and legs for eyes (using a
> wide definition for 'legs')
I was tought (sp?) that those claws were legs, like our arms.  Should I sue
the teacher?

ZK
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Zeger Knaepen wrote:

> I was tought (sp?)

Taught.

> that those claws were legs, like our arms.

Legs <=> Arms ???

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Ken <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> schreef in berichtnieuws
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>
> Zeger Knaepen wrote:
>
> > I was tought (sp?)
>
> Taught.
Whatever... :-)

> > that those claws were legs, like our arms.
>
> Legs <=> Arms ???
OK, can someone translate this for me?  I don't know how to express myself
in English, so I'll do it in Dutch.

Schorpioenen (krabben en kreeften trouwens ook) hebben geen 8 poten, maar
10.  Het voorste paar poten (de zogenaamde 'scharen') zijn te vergelijken
met onze armen (we lopen niet op onze armen, maar dieren lopen wel op het
equivalent van armen).

Maybe I could say this in English, but I'm a bit tired now


ZK
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On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 14:33:06 +0200, Zeger Knaepen wrote...
> Nice!
> But I think a scorpion has 10 legs.  Well, yours has anyway.
> (Those things in the front, I don't know how you call it in English, are
> legs too!  They're more evolved than the other ones, but they are legs.)

Scorpions have 8 legs, one pair of Pedipalps (the pincers/claws), and a 
pair on Chelicerae (small pincer like accessory mouthparts)

Useless trivia time, their anal opening is on the last segment of the 
tail (postabdomen) before the stinging apparatus and barb.

For a really spectacular show, place a scorpion under an Ultraviolet 
light source...  They fluoresce, some species more spectacularly than 
others.

Actually, this might be useful if you want to go scorpion spotting at 
night, simply take along a UV light source.

I'll stop waffling now, but as you may have gathered, I like 
invertebrates :)

Oh, and as far as the animation goes, I sort of like it, but that floor 
texture really interferes with seeing what their legs are doing (maybe 
this was the whole point of it)

Bye for now,
     Jamie.

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"Zeger Knaepen" <zeg### [at] yahoocom> wrote :
>
> I was tought (sp?) that those claws were legs, like our arms.  Should I
sue
> the teacher?

    In the process of writing my universal insect include file (due to be
released in 2010), I came up with a concept that seems to work. Imagine a
segmented worm with legs like a caterpillar. It learns to balance on three
or four segments and those segments develop larger legs. The left over legs
become adapted for other things, those closer to the mouth become food
gathering and manipulating appendages and those closer to the other end
become waste handlers, sex tools, defensive stings, what ever. So they
were -all- legs once. If you look closely at the mouth parts, they have the
same basic structure as the legs. Are they legs? If so then claws are legs.

    Something that does not bear much visualizing. Insects, arachnids and
crustaceans are only slight variations from a similar model. In other words,
shrimp, lobsters and crabs are bugs.

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"Zeger Knaepen" <zeg### [at] yahoocom> wrote in message
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| Ken <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> schreef in berichtnieuws
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| >
|
| > > that those claws were legs, like our arms.
| >
| > Legs <=> Arms ???
| OK, can someone translate this for me?  I don't know how to express myself
| in English, so I'll do it in Dutch.

I can't translate that at Altavista so I can't reply.  However see Jamie
Davison's explanation.
What Ken was getting at I think is you seem to be referring to arms as
though like dog and cat arms (which are all legs).  :-)

Bob

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"Jamie Davison" <jam### [at] dh70qdu-netcom> wrote in message
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| For a really spectacular show, place a scorpion under an Ultraviolet
| light source...  They fluoresce, some species more spectacularly than
| others.
|
| Actually, this might be useful if you want to go scorpion spotting at
| night, simply take along a UV light source.

I saw that one of the pictures of at that web page was in black light.  Cool
stuff.

| Oh, and as far as the animation goes, I sort of like it, but that floor
| texture really interferes with seeing what their legs are doing (maybe
| this was the whole point of it)

You are exactly right, sort of.  It was only to show motion at first then I
realized it did mask the motion of the legs somewhat so I kept it that way.

Bob

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Mankind is biped but hadn't always been so as the evolution theory goes so
in effect we have only legs.
Penguins walk on two legs also, just thought I'd say something else, not
really adding anything.

Bob

"Bill DeWitt" <the### [at] earthlinknet> wrote in message
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| segmented worm with legs like a caterpillar. It learns to balance on three
| or four segments and those segments develop larger legs. The left over
legs
| become adapted for other things, those closer to the mouth become food
| gathering and manipulating appendages and those closer to the other end
| become waste handlers, sex tools, defensive stings, what ever. So they
| were -all- legs once. If you look closely at the mouth parts, they have
the
| same basic structure as the legs. Are they legs? If so then claws are
legs.
|
|     Something that does not bear much visualizing. Insects, arachnids and
| crustaceans are only slight variations from a similar model. In other
words,
| shrimp, lobsters and crabs are bugs.

Bugs eh?  Interesting thought, crabs as bugs.

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It's cool how their arms bounce as if in a big hurry to go pinch something...

Bob Hughes wrote:

> Scorpions!

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