I am getting linux soon
instead of this lousy microsoft's windows 98 (or with it)
is there a version of povray that will work on linux?

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Eitan Tal wrote:
> 
> I am getting linux soon
> instead of this lousy microsoft's windows 98 (or with it)
> is there a version of povray that will work on linux?

Yes. There is even a linux/unix group on this news server for discussion
of using POV-Ray on those platforms.

-- 
Ken Tyler
1100+ Povray, Graphics, 3D Rendering, and Raytracing Links:
http://home.pacbell.net/tylereng/index.html

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On Sat, 25 Sep 1999 12:36:11 +0200, Eitan Tal <eit### [at] netvisionnetil> wrote:
>I am getting linux soon
>instead of this lousy microsoft's windows 98 (or with it)
>is there a version of povray that will work on linux?

Please ask these questions somewhere appropriate.  None of them are "advanced"
questions.  Please either ask in povray.newusers or in povray.general, whichever
seems most appropriate for the question.

Unless your purpose in asking lots of potentially inflammatory questions is to
go trolling again, in which case GO Away Troll!

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On Tue, 13 Jul 1999 19:37:54 +0300, "Eitan Tal" <eit### [at] netvisionnetil>
wrote:

>don't fight! piratisim is really lame, but when it comes to
>bill gates... we must do all we can to kill him!

  You might devote your energy into something more constructive than
promoting software piracy, Eitan.

  Piracy is stealing, plain and simple. If someone we know gives us a copy
of software that is for another end-user then we both become thieves. Resist
the temptation to do so. Don't use the excuse that you are battling
Microsoft because that's no reason at all for stealing. This is all part of
growing up.

  Piracy achieves one goal - it makes legitimate software buyers like the
rest of us, pay more for the software in the long run. We end up subsidizing
those who steal.

-- 
Alan

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>  Piracy is stealing, plain and simple. If someone we know gives us a copy
>of software that is for another end-user then we both become thieves.

I consider it testing non-demo software or trying out the full potential of
crippled trialware. I also consider it borrowing. For example, I have a
friend that bought MS Office 97. When I needed to do some spreadsheeting, I
would go over to his house. This became repetetive. What difference does it
make to use the program here at home, when I can go over and use it at his
house? It saves me a couple dozen trips. So, I got a copy of Office from
him.

I don't like to pirate. I feel the guilt of stealing. I plan to purchase
certain softwares but can't afford them right now. I certainly can't afford
to upgrade every year (at least with Microsoft prices). Oh, yeah, another
factor is that my father refuses to buy what I can get free off the 'Net or
from friends. He prefers buying hardware.

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"TonyB" <ben### [at] panamaphoenixnet> writes:

> >  Piracy is stealing, plain and simple. If someone we know gives us a copy
> >of software that is for another end-user then we both become thieves.
> 
> I consider it testing non-demo software or trying out the full potential of
> crippled trialware. I also consider it borrowing. For example, I have a
> friend that bought MS Office 97. When I needed to do some spreadsheeting, I
> would go over to his house. This became repetetive. What difference does it
> make to use the program here at home, when I can go over and use it at his
> house?

You can run two instances of the software at the same time. Don't hit 
on me, but this is the criterion that is common in the software community.
Other methods of prizing are possible, like measuring the usage or
paying each manual. However, M$ currently want to be paid for each
installed (or running?) version.

> I don't like to pirate. I feel the guilt of stealing. I plan to purchase
> certain softwares but can't afford them right now. I certainly can't afford
> to upgrade every year (at least with Microsoft prices). Oh, yeah, another
> factor is that my father refuses to buy what I can get free off the 'Net or
> from friends. He prefers buying hardware.


To become on topic again: Use "free" software like Linux, StarOffice, KDE,
Emacs, gcc, and POV-Ray. This is what I do and I'm quite happy with it.

And yes: povray will work on linux.

Thomas

-- 
http://www.fmi.uni-konstanz.de/~willhalm

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I have too much on Windows to go over to Linux completely. Even if I could,
there is no one in this country capable of helping me with it. I don't want
to learn everything all over again.

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On Mon, 27 Sep 1999 05:40:40 -0700, Alan Kong
<ako### [at] pacbellNO-SPAMnet> wrote:

>>  Piracy achieves one goal - it makes legitimate software buyers like the
>rest of us, pay more for the software in the long run. We end up subsidizing
>those who steal.

This is only true if the person pirating the particular software is a
potential buyer of this same product. What if that person cannot
afford to buy the software? Then there are two ways to go -- either
forget about the software or use a pirated version. Either way the
software company gets no money from that person, but in one case that
person is using the software and in the other he/she does not not. Now
which case is better?

If it were not for pirated software, I would have never seen nor heard
of POV simply because computers would have been such a luxury here
that none of the specialized magazines/newspapers would have existed,
nor the TV / radio programs... brrr, I am getting the chills :)


Peter Popov
ICQ: 15002700

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TonyB wrote in message <37ef94d5@news.povray.org>...
>>  Piracy is stealing, plain and simple. If someone we know gives us a copy
>>of software that is for another end-user then we both become thieves.
>
>I consider it testing non-demo software or trying out the full potential of
>crippled trialware. I also consider it borrowing. For example, I have a
>friend that bought MS Office 97. When I needed to do some spreadsheeting, I
>would go over to his house. This became repetetive. What difference does it
>make to use the program here at home, when I can go over and use it at his
>house? It saves me a couple dozen trips. So, I got a copy of Office from
>him.
The difference between the two is that you can be prosecuted for using your
copy, but not for using your friend's copy.

Mark

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On Tue, 28 Sep 1999 00:43:37 -0400, Mark Wagner <mar### [at] gtenet> wrote:
>The difference between the two is that you can be prosecuted for using your
>copy, but not for using your friend's copy.

Don't get me wrong; I hate piracy as much as the next guy who's making a living
selling software, but it's only been recently that one could be prosecuted (in
the US anyway) for piracy.  Previously, copyright violation was purely a civil
matter.

What I want to know is, how did this thread from July get exhumed again?

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Ron Parker wrote:

> What I want to know is, how did this thread from July get exhumed again?

Alan did it. It's all Alan's fault. If you want to blame someone blame Alan
cause he did it and no one else.

-- 
Ken Tyler
1100+ Povray, Graphics, 3D Rendering, and Raytracing Links:
http://home.pacbell.net/tylereng/index.html

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TonyB wrote:
> 
> I have too much on Windows to go over to Linux completely. Even if I could,
> there is no one in this country capable of helping me with it. I don't want
> to learn everything all over again.

One thing I learned the hard way is that you *NEVER* have finished
learning. Better cope with this and learn what you can. BTW, Linux is
something you can learn pretty good at the Internet and WIN32 emulators
like WINE are also existing! I once read somewhere here that even
WIN-POV runs on it! :-)

Marc

-- 
Marc Schimmler

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On Mon, 27 Sep 1999 21:50:11 -0700, Ken <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote:

>Alan did it. It's all Alan's fault. If you want to blame someone blame Alan
>cause he did it and no one else.

  Yes, it was I. Since this thread may continue OT for a few more messages
I've continued it at povray.off-topic. Let the sparks fly!

-- 
Alan
http://www.povray.org - Home of the Persistence of Vision Ray Tracer

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On Tue, 28 Sep 1999 08:58:36 +0200, Marc Schimmler
<sch### [at] icauni-stuttgartde> wrote:

>One thing I learned the hard way is that you *NEVER* have finished
>learning. Better cope with this and learn what you can. BTW, Linux is
>something you can learn pretty good at the Internet and WIN32 emulators
>like WINE are also existing! I once read somewhere here that even
>WIN-POV runs on it! :-)

I can confirm that from personal experience. My news client and my
mail client also work perfectly well under Wine. ICQ does not run at
all, though :(


Peter Popov
ICQ: 15002700

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So how do you use them? Can Linux access the Windows hard drive to run
programs? Can Windows access the Linux hard drive? Or does the Linux drive
have to be hidden from Windows?

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On Tue, 28 Sep 1999 10:40:26 -0400, "TonyB"
<ben### [at] panamaphoenixnet> wrote:

>So how do you use them? Can Linux access the Windows hard drive to run
>programs? Can Windows access the Linux hard drive? Or does the Linux drive
>have to be hidden from Windows?

Windows has no idea that Linux is installed on the HDD or it would
have died of jealousy long ago. Linux accesses the windows hard drive
or partition and runs the windows programs. It can also access the
registry but I have switched this option off for safety since none of
the programs I specified relies heavily on read/write from/to the
registry.

WINE is definitely worth checking out!


Peter Popov
ICQ: 15002700

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On Wed, 29 Sep 1999 07:05:44 +0300, Peter Popov wrote:
>On Tue, 28 Sep 1999 10:40:26 -0400, "TonyB"
><ben### [at] panamaphoenixnet> wrote:
>
>>So how do you use them? Can Linux access the Windows hard drive to run
>>programs? Can Windows access the Linux hard drive? Or does the Linux drive
>>have to be hidden from Windows?
>
>Windows has no idea that Linux is installed on the HDD or it would
>have died of jealousy long ago.

Maybe that's why it keeps BSOD-ing.

But seriously, folks, I read somewhere about an EXT2FS driver for NT, so someday
soon you may be able to get NT to read and write your Linux partitions.

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On 29 Sep 1999 09:17:17 -0400, par### [at] fwicom (Ron Parker) wrote:

>Maybe that's why it keeps BSOD-ing.
>
>But seriously, folks, I read somewhere about an EXT2FS driver for NT, so someday
>soon you may be able to get NT to read and write your Linux partitions.

NOOOOOO!

My Linux drive is the only place I trust for important information. If
micros~1 ever implement EXT support in windoze I will boot to DOS and
manually delete all relevant DDLs!

Sorry, got carried away OT. Follow-ups in p.o-t (if this works :) )


Peter Popov
ICQ: 15002700

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Ron Parker wrote:

> On Wed, 29 Sep 1999 07:05:44 +0300, Peter Popov wrote:
> >On Tue, 28 Sep 1999 10:40:26 -0400, "TonyB"
> ><ben### [at] panamaphoenixnet> wrote:
> >
> >>So how do you use them? Can Linux access the Windows hard drive to run
> >>programs? Can Windows access the Linux hard drive? Or does the Linux drive
> >>have to be hidden from Windows?
> >
> >Windows has no idea that Linux is installed on the HDD or it would
> >have died of jealousy long ago.
>
> Maybe that's why it keeps BSOD-ing.
>
> But seriously, folks, I read somewhere about an EXT2FS driver for NT, so someday
> soon you may be able to get NT to read and write your Linux partitions.

Yes. And it is also completly technically feasible for Microsoft to do a FAT32
driver for NT. It's been years now, but still no FAT32 for NT 4.x

(holding my breath)


--
"My new computer's got the clocks, it rocks
But it was obsolete before I opened the box" - W.A.Y.

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On Wed, 29 Sep 1999 23:10:02 -0700, Jon A. Cruz wrote:
>Ron Parker wrote:
>> But seriously, folks, I read somewhere about an EXT2FS driver for NT, so someday
>> soon you may be able to get NT to read and write your Linux partitions.
>
>Yes. And it is also completly technically feasible for Microsoft to do a FAT32
>driver for NT. It's been years now, but still no FAT32 for NT 4.x

Well, yeah, but the EXT2FS driver I spoke of is an open source project, not
from micros~1.  Besides, if MS put FAT32 support in NT4.x, what reason would
you have left to "upgrade" to Windows2000?

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> Well, yeah, but the EXT2FS driver I spoke of is an open source project,
not
> from micros~1.  Besides, if MS put FAT32 support in NT4.x, what reason
would
> you have left to "upgrade" to Windows2000?

W2K doesn't have to use FAT32 anyway, didn't ya know that?  :)

Well... if you were using 95/98 I could think of a hell of a lot of
reasons...

Non-fixed resources, dual (and more) processors, higher mem alloc-ing,
better networking priviledges, correct Multilink PPP...

NT4 has heaps of problems right now anyway, hopefully some of these will be
resolved in W2K.

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