Hi Kelly, you recently wrote in moray.win:

> There are two features that would help speed up modeling significantly. The
> first, as I've mentioned, is running object snap modes. 
Agreed, and that is one of the features on the list. We just haven't
found a good way to implement it.

> The other feature is what I call slicing. If you could add the ability to
> simply slice any primitive along any 2D plane, breaking it into two separate
> entities, this would be quite handy for modeling.
> .... way to turn primitives into more complex entities outside of the 
> CSG method ...
> .... Adding slicing along curved surfaces would facilitate fillets and 
> chamfers. Adding slicing along any bezier patch, if even possible, 
> could add some interesting capability.
> .....
> expanding the extrude entity by allowing extruding of the 2D outline 
> along a 3D line/spline path, or the edge of a primitive or entity?
All these things are well suited to a triangle based modeller, a
modeller that works with meshes. It is very difficult (if at all
possible) to make solid geometry modeller (like Moray) do this.
That said, we are thinking of providing more triangle-based modelling,
especially in light of the next POV-Ray being able to handle
UV-mapping.

- Lutz
  email : lut### [at] stmuccom
  Web   : http://www.stmuc.com/moray

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> That said, we are thinking of providing more triangle-based modelling,
> especially in light of the next POV-Ray being able to handle
> UV-mapping.

This would be cool!!!

Fabian.

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Hey, Lutz,

Thanks for the reply - I can often get a little wordy without expressing my
delight with being able to work with a really cool software package like
you've written. Sorry for that - I'm just a little too eager to express my
opinion sometimes... Moray is really an asset to the raytracing world with a
bright future!

Lutz Kretzschmar <lut### [at] stmuccom> wrote in message
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> All these things are well suited to a triangle based modeller, a
> modeller that works with meshes. It is very difficult (if at all
> possible) to make solid geometry modeller (like Moray) do this.

Interesting. I use this feature (slicing) in AutoCAD all the time when I'm
creating models. It uses the solid-based ACIS engine, albeit an old and
clunky version, not a surface/polygon paradigm. In addition to being able to
slice primitives/solids, it can union, subtract, and difference, as well as
a multitude of other editing options. BTW, its not parametrically based, so
coming back and editing these changes is next to impossible. Thus the
advantage of your CSG method. I guess I thot that solids were actually
easier to do this sort of thing with than surface triangle/polygon models.

Anyway, thanks for listening to me ramble... & for being so open to our
thots as users...

-Kelly
(kla### [at] usacom)

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Lutz Kretzschmar wrote:

> That said, we are thinking of providing more triangle-based modelling,
> especially in light of the next POV-Ray being able to handle
> UV-mapping.

You do this Lutz, and even I might start using Moray :)

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Lutz,

Interestingly enough, you don't really need to do a whole lot in Moray
for a planar slice.  Duplicate the object and add CSG Intersection with
a plane (inverted on one side of course).

The hard part is clearly getting a good wireframe representation.  The
simple way is to simply clip all lines in each half against the plane
(really easy).  This will tend to leave gaps in the wireframe
representation.  The hard way is to make a mesh based CSG routine and
invoke it to build the wireframe (remember, it doesn't need to be
tremendously high fidelity - the modelling representation is just an
approximation to the final result).

WRT doing it the hard way, I have mesh based CSG in the renderer part of
the anim plugin.   [It does fail in some cases, but is better than
nothing.]  Perhaps you could use a code donation?

Xander

Lutz Kretzschmar wrote:
> 
> Hi Kelly, you recently wrote in moray.win:
> 
> > There are two features that would help speed up modeling significantly. The
> > first, as I've mentioned, is running object snap modes.
> Agreed, and that is one of the features on the list. We just haven't
> found a good way to implement it.
> 
> > The other feature is what I call slicing. If you could add the ability to
> > simply slice any primitive along any 2D plane, breaking it into two separate
> > entities, this would be quite handy for modeling.
> > .... way to turn primitives into more complex entities outside of the
> > CSG method ...
> > .... Adding slicing along curved surfaces would facilitate fillets and
> > chamfers. Adding slicing along any bezier patch, if even possible,
> > could add some interesting capability.
> > .....
> > expanding the extrude entity by allowing extruding of the 2D outline
> > along a 3D line/spline path, or the edge of a primitive or entity?
> All these things are well suited to a triangle based modeller, a
> modeller that works with meshes. It is very difficult (if at all
> possible) to make solid geometry modeller (like Moray) do this.
> That said, we are thinking of providing more triangle-based modelling,
> especially in light of the next POV-Ray being able to handle
> UV-mapping.
> 
> - Lutz
>   email : lut### [at] stmuccom
>   Web   : http://www.stmuc.com/moray

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