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Hello,
So far I have seen two preliminary previews of what are allegedly
going to be submitted to the horror round. I'm not going to name
the artists just the concepts. The first is a scene where you are
supposed to be witnessing the last desperate hours of work on an
IRTC submission. The second is only hinted at yet so far and is
comprised of a contemporary electrical outlet and modern bindings
on a book. I can only imagine where that one is going. I see these
types of images as concept submissions. By that I mean that there
is supposed to be a message transmitted about the scene that the
viewer will in this case try to interpret as some form of horror
and fill it in with their own sense emotion.
In my own interpretation of horror however I have an entirely
different point of view. I expect to see monsters, disfigured humans,
atrocities against nature, blood, guts, dripping goo, moss hanging
from forbidding trees and slime covered rock walls, dungeons, tools
for torture, nooses, guillotines, headless horsemen, Frankenstien
monsters, mummies, vampires, vehicles smashing together with body
parts flying everywhere, worms crawling out of eye sockets and bugs
from gapping bloody gashes in human flesh, dripping oozing boils on
pretty young faces, death and destruction in every single pixel of
the image, and you know just plain scary, frightening, horror related
imagery.
I don't think there is a need of making the viewer try to find the
horror in the image in this round. It should be blatant and obvious.
You should be scared out of your wits by what you have seen and the
horror of it plain as the screen it is shown on. It should jerk the
horror right out of your soul and bare it to the world for all to see
as you go screaming into the night. Any way that is my own calm and
gentle interpretation of it.
How do you interpret this rounds theme ?
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Hi Ken!
The admins asked to stay in the borders of good taste and law. It's not
useful to create pictures that might not be viewed by minors. Even my
wife asked me not to show my current scene to my (rather small kids)
although nothing of real horror can be seen in it now. I also always
liked to look for the borders or interesting aspects of a topic.
I'm a fan of H.P.Lovecraft and E.A.Poe and would have had many ideas in
that direction but I think that they are to obvious. And seening 20
vampires is as lame as seeing 20 lighthouses, isn't it?
Just my two pence.
Marc
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So you would rather see a picture perfect blond Poser woman with a
broken finger nail ? Many woman think that is horrible but it sounds
pretty lame to me. Why skirt the topic. I say embrace it and give
it your best shot. If you are concerned for what your children see
be a responsible parent and don't let them see it ( I'm not implying
that you are not responsible in that regard either).
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Ken wrote:
>
> So you would rather see a picture perfect blond Poser woman with a
> broken finger nail ? Many woman think that is horrible but it sounds
> pretty lame to me. Why skirt the topic. I say embrace it and give
> it your best shot. If you are concerned for what your children see
> be a responsible parent and don't let them see it ( I'm not implying
> that you are not responsible in that regard either).
>
I must say that this would be original in one way or another but what I
tried to say is that there is obvious horror (Monsters, etc) and a more
subtle form which I prefer. My scene tries to do this in a ambient way.
It's the surrounding and the expectation of something horrible. Some of
the best horror movies showed the monster blured etc... if you know what
it is the horror is often gone. If you are able to create this kind of
tension I spoke of, then you are IMHO on the right track. A shadow is
sometimes more horrible that the object itself (see Nosferatu). If you
can do this in an original manner you should be on the way to the top.
Again two pennies of mine.
All the Best,
Marc
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Ken <tyl### [at] pacbell net> wrote:
: In my own interpretation of horror however I have an entirely
: different point of view. I expect to see monsters, disfigured humans,
: atrocities against nature, blood, guts, dripping goo, moss hanging
: from forbidding trees and slime covered rock walls, dungeons, tools
: for torture, nooses, guillotines, headless horsemen, Frankenstien
: monsters, mummies, vampires, vehicles smashing together with body
: parts flying everywhere, worms crawling out of eye sockets and bugs
: from gapping bloody gashes in human flesh, dripping oozing boils on
: pretty young faces, death and destruction in every single pixel of
: the image, and you know just plain scary, frightening, horror related
: imagery.
That's not horror. It's splatter.
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I had already been thinking about my entry. My best idea was a 12-year old
kid working on plans to blow up his school. In his bedroom would be posters
on the wall, images on his T-shirt, Nintendo games displaying, and nearby
computers showing half-finished renderings of the following:
> : : monsters, disfigured humans,
> : atrocities against nature, blood, guts, dripping goo, moss hanging
> : from forbidding trees and slime covered rock walls, dungeons, tools
> : for torture, nooses, guillotines, headless horsemen, Frankenstien
> : monsters, mummies, vampires, vehicles smashing together with body
> : parts flying everywhere, worms crawling out of eye sockets and bugs
> : from gapping bloody gashes in human flesh, dripping oozing boils on
> : pretty young faces, death and destruction in every single pixel of
> : the image, and you know just plain scary, frightening, horror related
> : imagery.
>
> That's not horror. It's splatter.
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On Fri, 24 Sep 1999 05:10:30 -0700, Ken <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote:
>
> In my own interpretation of horror however I have an entirely
>different point of view. I expect to see monsters, disfigured humans,
>atrocities against nature, blood, guts, dripping goo, moss hanging
>from forbidding trees and slime covered rock walls, dungeons, tools
>for torture, nooses, guillotines, headless horsemen, Frankenstien
>monsters, mummies, vampires, vehicles smashing together with body
>parts flying everywhere, worms crawling out of eye sockets and bugs
>from gapping bloody gashes in human flesh, dripping oozing boils on
>pretty young faces, death and destruction in every single pixel of
>the image, and you know just plain scary, frightening, horror related
>imagery.
> I don't think there is a need of making the viewer try to find the
>horror in the image in this round. It should be blatant and obvious.
>You should be scared out of your wits by what you have seen and the
>horror of it plain as the screen it is shown on. It should jerk the
>horror right out of your soul and bare it to the world for all to see
>as you go screaming into the night. Any way that is my own calm and
>gentle interpretation of it.
>
> How do you interpret this rounds theme ?
I think any interpretaion is valid as long as the artist sees it as horror. Whether it
is
blood and gore, or a poseresse's broken fingernail.
My interpretation of horror is where the observer sees that something absolutely
dreadful
is about to occur and cannot be stopped. Like someone jumping out of a high window in
a
burning building, or something about to happen to the observer, like seeing a leopard
launching itself from a tree right at you, or a T Rex bearing down on you.
My idea, that I am not about to reveal as it would spoil the effect, has no person or
creature in the scene. The title, I hope, will say it all. The only difficulty, and
this
is the same for all of us, is trying to make the image convincing and interesting.
Some other ideas; The horror on the face of the Egyptian architect as he realises that
he
has built the pyramid upside down; A suicidal poser leaping off a lighthouse; An
astronaut on the moon/planet/asteroid as his spacecraft is destroyed by a meteorite.
I think the IRTC is great because it spurs me on to be a bit creative and put in some
real
effort. I am not in it for the money :-)
I look forward to seeing your fearsome scene Ken.
David
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Hi Ken.
Assuming that I actually get an image finished so I get to vote, I intend to
interpret the "Concept, Originality, Interpretation of Theme", component at
least partially as whether the image succeeds in conveying a feeling of
horror. It can be explicit or implicit, doesn't matter to me. I am new to
ray tracing and this is my first IRTC, but I find the process fun rather
than horrifying so for me the "deadline" picture you mention probably won't
get a great score from me in that regard, even though it has some degree of
"originality". Hmm, here's something that might help: on the desk, add a
razor blade and a piece of paper with "To whom it may concern" written on
the top.
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David Wilkinson wrote:
> > How do you interpret this rounds theme ?
> I think any interpretaion is valid as long as the artist sees it as horror.
> Whether it is blood and gore, or a poseresse's broken fingernail.
The artist perception of horror is not the issue here. It is the
message conveyed to the viewer as being horrific that needs to be
accomplished to be successful.
> My interpretation of horror is where the observer sees that something
> absolutely dreadful is about to occur and cannot be stopped. Like
> someone jumping out of a high window in a burning building, or something
> about to happen to the observer, like seeing a leopard launching itself
> from a tree right at you, or a T Rex bearing down on you.
Is that really horror in the strictest sense ? To me that sounds like
suspense not horror. For example the classic shower curtain scene at the
Bates Motel where you see the silhouette of the knife on the shower
curtain. That was classic Hitchcock the master of suspense. The horror
was when the knife actually started slashing at the woman. You seem
to imply the silhouette of the knife was the horror in the scene and
the other scenarios you described follow that pattern. I say the
action of the slashing is the horror and the silhouette of the knife
was a simple vehicle adding suspense leading up to the act of horrible
violence.
> I think the IRTC is great because it spurs me on to be a bit creative and
> put in some real effort. I am not in it for the money :-)
I agree and I'm just hoping that it does not turn into just another round
of spaceship and pyramid images. There are so many variations on what horror
can be that I want to be scared to death when I am viewing the submissions
for this round. This round is not supposed to be passive in content. There
should be a lot of action and the room for creativity and artistic license
is great.
> I look forward to seeing your fearsome scene Ken.
I certainly do not lack in imagination I just hope I can get the creative
juices flowing enough to get something done :)
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On Fri, 24 Sep 1999 05:10:30 -0700, Ken <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote:
> In my own interpretation of horror however I have an entirely
>different point of view. I expect to see monsters, disfigured humans,
<snip>
>etc...
I've seen about two dozens of horror movies. The only one that
horrified me (read: gave me two nights of hard sleep) was "The
Exorcist". It's about a little girl being obsessed by the evil one. It
was the idea behind it and the way she played her role (there should
be an Oscar Jr. for such cases) was what was scary.
The line between horror and gore is almost as thin as the one between
erotica and pornography or bewteen thrill and disgust. I remember
reading an article which compared gore to porn, and I must say the
author had a point. I also remember what my psychoanalysis teacher
told us, that the primary sexual organ weighted about 2-2.5 kilos and
was called brain. I also remember that I wasn't disgusted at all when
doing dissections in Biology but I get the goose-bumps at the mere
thought of a knife penetrating my skin. Lastly, I recall my Creative
Writing teacher who said "Show, don't tell" as opposed to my Fine Arts
teacher who said "tell, don't show."
It's all a matter of imagination. Art is about perceiving,
contemplating and relating. A horror picture doesn't necessarily have
to show gore or monsters. Giving a hint and leaving the rest to the
audience's imagination will not only achieve the desired effect better
but will also spare you the trouble of being accused of showing bad
taste.
One last thing. Life offers such dreadful pictures that no one can
ever reproduce them. I once hit a site which had real photos of things
so disgusting that I almost threw up. Car accidents, autopsies,
executions... (if anyone is interested, let me know by e-mail; I'll
never post the url here). I certainly don't want to see such things in
the IRTC.
Peter Popov
ICQ: 15002700
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