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Markus -
I saw his web page and he looks busy.......
Question 1: Who owns the irtc web page?
I know it lives on the povray.org server.
And, I know it is run by irtc admin.
Question 2: Why won't someone step up
and take it over?
(If this is one person who is done with it)
Statement : The IRTC has been around a long
time. Obviously, many talented people are participants.
When reading the irtc.stills a lot of people were willing
to take it over. But instead they have started a pseudo
competition.
I will throw my name in the hat, I will be willing to take it
over. If this is would be allowed......and get backup admin.
(It has such a great following, it can't just disappear).
Yes, Markus I know what your going to say we need to
see what develops with the current situation. That's fine,
but it would be nice to have something and someone in place
to take over. Which gets back to my original question----
Who owns the irtc web page? And, can we use it?
A web site that gets pass around from admin to admin
when he retires...putting his own mark on it.
(That might be to optimistic)
dbott
......and I like the newest entry Danse Macabre....good one.
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"dbott" <dbo### [at] eastsoundsuites com> wrote:
> Statement : The IRTC has been around a long
> time. Obviously, many talented people are participants.
> When reading the irtc.stills a lot of people were willing
> to take it over. But instead they have started a pseudo
> competition.
>
Hello. I participated to the discussion on irtc.stills. The current round
(Jan-Feb) was obviously skipped. It has been commonly decided to make this
pseudo competition in order to keep us busy and to wait until next period
(mar-apr) in case the irtc admin(s) re-appear. Personnaly, I hope nothing
serious happend to him (them)...
Bruno
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dbott schrieb:
> Markus -
> I saw his web page and he looks busy.......
I just looked at http://www.irtc.org/team.html and was
shocked to find that the people listed there are (at least
to me) "retired from service" for at least a year or two!
Really needs to be brought up-to-date sometime soon.
The current admin is supposedly Jesse Becker, though it's
really worrisome that he's so long unaccounted for... maybe
just because i've had very bad experiences when people
suddenly stopped their online activities, because things DO
happen...
Feeding J.B.'s PGP key (not the name) from his Nov.2006
postings into Google turned up no newsgroup posts after Jan.
2005. OK, that's not quite thorough research, and proves
just about nothing, but it's as disquieting as the IRTC's
silence.
I've written to his two PGP-confirmed mail accounts that
turned up in the process. Keeping fingers crossed...
> Question 1: Who owns the irtc web page?
> I know it lives on the povray.org server.
> And, I know it is run by irtc admin.
The hosting is done by povray.org, which means that this
server's root admin typically has "access all areas" and
could create/assign a new user account to handle
IRTC-related tasks. However, to the current IRTC admin, this
is like coming home from a holiday and finding the house has
been sold, and the locks already changed. To describe this
as "awkward" may be an understatement... i'm running several
domains myself, and finding that someone else has taken over
one of these in my absence is very near the top of my
internet horrors list, thus my reluctance to step up and say
"we want IRTC to be run by someone who actually cares" ...
Also, the POVray.org master admin has to "give away the
keys" to someone else he may or may not know anything about
- passing hosting responsibilites is a rather big leap of
faith if it's entirely online.
> Question 2: Why won't someone step up
> and take it over?
> (If this is one person who is done with it)
There are several script-driven things on the server, and
(speaking as an outsider to IRTC's internal workings, so
this is pure guesswork) i'm not sure who knows how these
work, what these things do, or if it's at all documented
somewhere (being familiar with "organic growth" websites
myself)... Most of the IRTC preparation could likely be
handled manually, like copying files or creating a web page.
(see my preview page, which took about all of ten minutes to
set up). With the registration and voting stuff, i honestly
don't know. I fear it's "secret knowledge" passed on from
one admin to the next, but that's exactly where the current
problem lies. The last admin's mail from November seems to
hint at "someone else" that's also able to move things
around, which would indicate the presence of at least one
more backup admin (or someone from POVray?). None has
stepped forward so far, and this is equally worrisome.
> Statement : The IRTC has been around a long
> time. Obviously, many talented people are participants.
> When reading the irtc.stills a lot of people were willing
> to take it over. But instead they have started a pseudo
> competition.
To fill in the time, of course, but i agree, without the
IRTC webpage to offer a "web-visible" beacon, this is about
as interim as it gets ;)
> I will throw my name in the hat, I will be willing to take it
> over. If this is would be allowed......and get backup admin.
> (It has such a great following, it can't just disappear).
Amen to that!
> Yes, Markus I know what your going to say we need to
> see what develops with the current situation. That's fine,
> but it would be nice to have something and someone in place
> to take over. Which gets back to my original question----
> Who owns the irtc web page? And, can we use it?
Previous mails from the povray group raise the impression
that the current IRTC admin "owns" it alone. This IS a
problem in the current situation... although to me, it's
more of a moral dilemma... (see above). If the IRTC was a
"wholly owned subsidiary" of povray.org, i'd say full steam
ahead, in with a new admin (because then it's not someone's
own project, but community-driven), and let's get rolling!
(Querying nic.com, the IRTC.org is registered to an email
address at aussie.org, and sponsered by Tucows Inc. - same
as the povray.org address.)
> A web site that gets pass around from admin to admin
> when he retires...putting his own mark on it.
> (That might be to optimistic)
Why? I think that would be great!
-Markus
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I wrote five minutes ago, in irtc.animations:
> The current admin is supposedly Jesse Becker, though it's really
> worrisome that he's so long unaccounted for... maybe just because i've
> had very bad experiences when people suddenly stopped their online
> activities, because things DO happen...
>
> Feeding J.B.'s PGP key (not the name) from his Nov.2006 postings into
> Google turned up no newsgroup posts after Jan. 2005. OK, that's not
> quite thorough research, and proves just about nothing, but it's as
> disquieting as the IRTC's silence.
>
> I've written to his two PGP-confirmed mail accounts that turned up in
> the process. Keeping fingers crossed...
Alright, i'm officially creeped out now.
Both accounts, at speakeasy.net and yahoo.com, do not exist
(any more?). Bounce, end of Data, "This user doesn't have a
yahoo.com account", "speakeasy.net: Sorry, no mailbox here
by that name".
Well, i ran out of ideas and can see the floor of my toolbox
now. Don't know what else to do. Will pass this on to stills
and irtc-l, too. Don't flame me for crossposting. I just
felt it's important.
Anybody else any bright ideas...?
-Markus
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"Markus Altendorff" <maa### [at] anthrosphinxde> wrote in message
news:45B### [at] anthrosphinxde...
> I wrote five minutes ago, in irtc.animations:
>
> > The current admin is supposedly Jesse Becker, though it's really
> > worrisome that he's so long unaccounted for... maybe just because i've
> > had very bad experiences when people suddenly stopped their online
> > activities, because things DO happen...
> >
> > Feeding J.B.'s PGP key (not the name) from his Nov.2006 postings into
> > Google turned up no newsgroup posts after Jan. 2005. OK, that's not
> > quite thorough research, and proves just about nothing, but it's as
> > disquieting as the IRTC's silence.
> >
> > I've written to his two PGP-confirmed mail accounts that turned up in
> > the process. Keeping fingers crossed...
>
> Alright, i'm officially creeped out now.
>
> Both accounts, at speakeasy.net and yahoo.com, do not exist
> (any more?). Bounce, end of Data, "This user doesn't have a
> yahoo.com account", "speakeasy.net: Sorry, no mailbox here
> by that name".
>
> Well, i ran out of ideas and can see the floor of my toolbox
> now. Don't know what else to do. Will pass this on to stills
> and irtc-l, too. Don't flame me for crossposting. I just
> felt it's important.
>
> Anybody else any bright ideas...?
>
> -Markus
no, we just see what develops.........
And, Markus you are right (the voice of reason) I would hate it
if someone or a group of someone's walked into my house
and started cooking.
Bruno
Last, I would never want harm to come to anybody....I hope this
person (irtc.admin) is not hurt or in any kind of serious danger.
We have enough crap to deal with on this planet.
I guess that's why I escape into my computer and program.
dbott
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dbott wrote:
> no, we just see what develops.........
As much as i hate to say it, but i'm sure this isn't really an option
any more...
>
> And, Markus you are right (the voice of reason) I would hate it
> if someone or a group of someone's walked into my house
> and started cooking.
Wow, "voice of reason" - that's a first for me ;)
Seriously: Yes, it's usually not quite good style to do so. However, two
details just stepped up from the back of my mind:
1) The IRTC has a provable track record of various admins already, so
it's supposedly "for the community" and not "someone's very own baby".
(that's not meant as harsh as it sounds, though.)
2) In Nov. 2006, Jesse already asked for "someone to move things along"
while he was busy.
In *that* light, it should be possible to at least ask the Povray.org
admin to assign someone to help out.
That doesn't solve the problem of possibly no-one being familiar with
irtc.org's inner workings. We really need some lead to someone who is,
to make this work. This, too, is something i hope someone from the upper
tier at povray.org has a lead to.
If no one has already contacted the nic.com's contact
dc(something)@aussie.org, i'll write a letter to them once i'm back at
my home computer.
-Markus
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Markus Altendorff wrote:
> If no one has already contacted the nic.com's contact
> dc(something)@aussie.org, i'll write a letter to them once i'm back at
> my home computer.
Aussie.org owner and admin is also Chris Cason, so no need to send him yet
another email about the IRTC issue.
Thorsten, POV-Team
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Thorsten Froehlich wrote:
> Markus Altendorff wrote:
>> If no one has already contacted the nic.com's contact
>> dc(something)@aussie.org, i'll write a letter to them once i'm back at
>> my home computer.
>
> Aussie.org owner and admin is also Chris Cason, so no need to send him yet
> another email about the IRTC issue.
Understood :)
I'm just wondering what the next steps can/should be now? I'll try the
one not-yet-tried mail address of Jesse Becker that was mentioned below,
and i'm really hoping any kind of contact can be established, but i'd be
more than happy to have some fail-safe scenario at hand if that doesn't
work out either...
<rant>i don't want the IRTC to dwindle just because no one's really in
effin' charge</rant> ;)
-Markus
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"Markus Altendorff" <maa### [at] panoramasde> wrote in message
news:45bde6c9@news.povray.org...
> Thorsten Froehlich wrote:
> > Markus Altendorff wrote:
> >> If no one has already contacted the nic.com's contact
> >> dc(something)@aussie.org, i'll write a letter to them once i'm back at
> >> my home computer.
> >
> > Aussie.org owner and admin is also Chris Cason, so no need to send him
yet
> > another email about the IRTC issue.
>
> Understood :)
>
> I'm just wondering what the next steps can/should be now? I'll try the
> one not-yet-tried mail address of Jesse Becker that was mentioned below,
> and i'm really hoping any kind of contact can be established, but i'd be
> more than happy to have some fail-safe scenario at hand if that doesn't
> work out either...
>
> <rant>i don't want the IRTC to dwindle just because no one's really in
> effin' charge</rant> ;)
>
> -Markus
Here Here, yes, I agree. I am a (n00b) with POV, but I have reached
a certain plateau. The irtc was my motivating force to take pov
to a new level.
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