On 7/21/2018 6:02 AM, clipka wrote:
> Am 21.07.2018 um 07:51 schrieb dick balaska:
>> On 07/20/2018 11:18 PM, Mike Horvath wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I will add XPilot soon if you'd like. But do note that what you linked
>>> to is for German keyboards only!
>>>
>>>
>>> Mike
>>
>> Only is a strong word.  I don't know what keys are where on a German
>> keyboard [1] but those commands are exactly in the right place for my US
>> keyboard.  My guess is, at the raw key level, all western keyboards send
>> the same keys and then at a higher level 'y' gets swapped with 'z';
>> which is why software has to ask you what you have instead of it just
>> knowing.
> 
> That is indeed the case.
> 
> If for example you take a German keyboard, scratch off all the labels,
> and re-label the keys according to the UK standard, you have a perfectly
> fine UK keyboard.
> 
> (It's not that simple to convert a US keyboard to a German or UK one,
> because the two differ not only visually but also mechanically, the US
> layout being based on the 101/104-key ANSI mechanical layout and the
> German and UK keyboards being based on the 102/105-key ISO mechanical
> layout. The primary differences are in the shape of the return key, with
> one other key placed differently as a consequence, and in the size of
> the left shift key, which is more narrow in the ISO layout to accomodate
> one more key. The English Wikipedia mentions a total of six different
> mechanical layouts in common use worldwide.)
> 
> 
> This actually makes it hard to build custom keypads with letters
> arranged alphabetically, e.g.
> 
>      A  B  C  D  E
>      F  G  H  I  J
>      K  L  M  N  O
>      P  Q  R  S  T
>      U  V  W  X  Y
>      Z  .  ,  -  ?
> 
> because the USB standard for keyboards does not deal in characters(*),
> just in keys. So if you designed the above keypad for the US market, a
> German user would instead find it producing
> 
>      A  B  C  D  E
>      F  G  H  I  J
>      K  L  M  N  O
>      P  Q  R  S  T
>      U  V  W  X  Z
>      Y  .  ,  ß  _
> 
> (*If you happen to know otherwise, please let me know.)
> 
> 
> The problem with games is that some deal with key codes, while others
> deal with characters.
> 



You can see how I number the keys here:

US 104 Key
http://isometricland.net/keyboard/keyboard-diagram-key-numbers.php?sty=15&lay=1&fmt=0

DE 105 Key
http://isometricland.net/keyboard/keyboard-diagram-key-numbers.php?sty=15&lay=3&fmt=0

FR 105 Key
http://isometricland.net/keyboard/keyboard-diagram-key-numbers.php?sty=15&lay=4&fmt=0

I didn't know the PC/AT keyboard was different in the UK. Not sure what 
to do in this case.


Mike

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