>> In short, I haven't come across a lesson where people are there because
>> they actually *want* to learn something. Most of them are just seem to
>> want the bit of paper that makes employers think they're awesome.
>>
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> You are too pessimistic I believe (or the world has changed too much).
> Except for the last point (the Microsoft course) with which I agree, at
> all other levels I have been with people who genuinely wanted to /know/
> and to /learn/. Not all of them of course but a substantial part, yes.

I have to agree with Andy here, my experience of school (compulsory up 
to age 16) and sixth form college (optional up to age 18) is that most 
people didn't want to learn. Obviously there were some who did, but the 
majority you felt were there because someone else had told them to be 
there but they didn't want to be. It was a place to meet people and hang 
out, having to go to lessons and do homework was an inconvenience.

It was only when I got to University that it was suddenly full of people 
who actually wanted to be there and wanted to learn. But I think there 
are likely only a few Universities like that with that atmosphere, 
speaking to friends elsewhere it sounded like other Universities were 
just like school and college where people would spend more effort trying 
to avoid doing any work that actually learning anything.

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