On 24-9-2014 9:31, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> On 23-9-2014 21:21, andrel wrote:
>> Technically I was not all that time with one employer, though for the
>> last 9 years I was full time at the same desk with the same group of
>> people. Before that mostly full time but also sometimes only part time
>> in the AMC. So, I was more than 25 years doing basically the same work
>> at the same place, but only the last 2 contracts and last 4 years count,
>> so they are safe. (losing a lot of knowledge and experience, but who
>> cares). If this had been a private company, it would be illegal as well.
>>
>> In science we often need longer times. First as a PhD student (which is
>> a job here) then as a post-doc. Sometimes post-doc's still need to
>> finish things after a project so there is a need for extending temporary
>> contracts. Problems start to arise when the post-doc, besides her
>> project, has to take on structural tasks to keep the department running.
>> We are all aware that the system is broken, but nobody is take serious
>> action. They just let the lawyers think up a way to circumvent the law
>> for a couple of years. And when that is forbidden, try something else.
>
> I am surprised all this was possible. I naively thought that after 3
> years (2 years temporary contract plus extension) a permanent position
> was mandatory, at least at governmental and university sites. Or maybe
> so it was in the past?

that sort of rules are still in place. In my situation the rules 
apparently do not apply because I have switched employers (... -> KNAW 
-> AMC -> KNAW) and then counting starts anew each time. That I have 
been doing the same thing in the same group does not count. Or so they 
claim.
(BTW I published also some thoughts related to this at 
https://magazine.thepostonline.nl/#!/Een-pleidooi-voor-meer-slow-science 
which you should also be able to find via blendle.nl . ALso available 
from my website bytehouwer.nl/slowscience.pdf, but it is in Dutch. If 
there is any demand for it I will make a translation, Google makes a 
mess of it)

> I am not sure, I seem to remember some rules in
> that direction when I was employed.

Are you unemployed yourself? Or just retired or switched to a different job?


> What makes me angry is that nowadays getting a job is more a question of
> age than of skills. +40? I am sorry my dear sir. You are an expert but
> your age, you know, your age...

I am 50+. Which indeed means that I have to become a freelancer or have 
to find a job in management and not be productive myself anymore.


-- 
Everytime the IT department forbids something that a researcher deems
necessary for her work there will be another hole in the firewall.

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