Le 17/01/2014 18:12, clipka a écrit :
> Am 17.01.2014 16:10, schrieb FractRacer:
>
>> Yes, Human know if he make wrong action, waht about animals? Good or
>> evil are humans concepts, not animals, not machines.
>> I think humans are the only creatures able to really choose. Some
>> "educated" animals can also choose, but are they able to say waht is
>> good or bad?
>
> Are /you/ able to say what is good or bad? If so, tell me.
>
When I say good or bad, I don't set or defined rules, I just think 
humans can have ethics - no matter what here. Yes, this ethics are 
learned, but we can also think otherwise - we can question our 
education, we can build new rules.
Human is able of abstract

> Kitten do learn what is good or bad, by interacting with their siblings
> and their mother. Good := behaviour provoking positive feedback, evil :=
> behaviour provoking negative feedback.
>
> For instance, kitten learn not to play too rough because this will cause
> the siblings to abort the game.
>
> This way, some kitten will learn to actually /be/ good, while others
> will learn to not get /caught/ when being evil.
>

But kitten can't name his act. If kitten is a male, when it is 
fully-grown it can kill some others kittens to have a chance to 
copulate. This behavior, based on instinct, is normal in animals world; 
for the humans it is reprehensible.

> No difference there to humans. We, too, unconsciously follow the very
> same underlying definition of good and evil, the details of which we
> have learned during childhood, in the very same manner.
>
Humans are considered responsible of their acts, not animals.

> Note that as a consequence there is no such thing as a universal concept
> of good and evil; each individual /inevitably/ has its own unique
> concept thereof, shaped by the family, society and culture he was
> brought up in.
>
I agreed, when I spoke about good and evil, I just refer to a conceptual 
thing.
But I think humans are not  - in general - focused on evil, I think 
mutual aid is a instinctive quality (out of the good-evil concepts - 
this concepts are relatively recent in the human history.)


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