On 10/01/2014 19:45, Nekar Xenos wrote:
> On Wed, 08 Jan 2014 13:14:59 +0200, Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:
>
>> John VanSickle <evi### [at] kosherhotmailcom> wrote:
>>> He gave them in order to accomplish a number of purposes which He
>>> regards as good and just.  However, now that those purposes have been
>>> served, the commandments are no longer good and just; therefore they are
>>> no longer in effect.
>>
>> "They are no longer in effect" if you pick&choose verses as you like,
>> and ignore others that indicate that they are very much still in effect.
>> Of course other branches of Christianity pick&choose in a different
>> manner and think that they *are* still in effect (but come up with
>> excuses as to why they cannot be enacted.) And I'm not making this up
>> because I know of such denominations.
>>
> If a denomination contradicts the Bible, then they are wrong.
> In the Old Testament it was foretold that there would come a time that
> God would write his laws in their minds. This came into fulfillment when
> they were filled with the Holy Spirit.
>
> If you read the Bible you will notice that Jesus never stoned anyone -
> no Christian stoned anyone and no Christian told anyone to stone anyone.
> In fact the opposite happened - Christians were stoned because of their
> belief. Today Christians are jailed and tortured for their belief in
> Muslim countries and China.
>
>> Anyway, from that, and from this:
>>
>>> I am glad that the commandments were not given to me, but whether
>>> something is right or wrong does not depend on how I feel about it.
>>
>> it's relatively clear that you do not think that many of those
>> commandments are good and moral because they clash with your own
>> concept of morality.
>
> You are confusing punishment with morality. Sin deserves punishment - if
> you disagree, then you are condoning sin.
>
> God had His plan from the beginning - He didn't simply change His mind
> about what is right or wrong. If you read the law you should realize
> that it is not about stoning, but about knowledge of good and evil and
> the punishment of sin.
>
> God knew that it would be too difficult for us mere humans to bear which
> is why He sent His Son to die in our place so that those who accept His
> sacrifice will not have to suffer Hell.
>

I think I have already mentioned 'begging the question'

John <shaking his head in exasperation at a particularly obtuse student>

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