On 1/5/2014 3:24 AM, Nekar Xenos wrote:
> On Sun, 05 Jan 2014 01:28:13 +0200, Patrick Elliott <kag### [at] gmailcom>
> wrote:
>
>> On 1/3/2014 1:55 PM, Nekar Xenos wrote:
>>> Another problem concerning this is fake rape claims where a girl claims
>>> some-one has raped them only later to recant and say they just didn't
>>> like his attitude or something or wanted to pat him back for something
>>> silly.
>>
>> You have no clue a) how uncommon that really is,
> I do. I just thought it was worth mentioning since I haven't seen it
> mentioned in this post.
>
> and b) how much shit
>> women go through, even when it is legitimate, which might result in
>> them "wanting" to recant it, even if it did happen. So.. Don't go
>> there. I refer you to the same thing I posted in the other comment:
>>
>
> True. I should have mentioned that as well.
>
Ah, well. Sorry then. Its almost par for the course in such discussions 
that when someone says, "Oh, and then there are the ones making it up.", 
it ends up devolving, at some point, into them trying to claim "all of 
them" make it up. Heck, its practically a urban myth, truism, and 
"obvious fact" in the minds of some parts of the population, especially 
among men younger than, maybe 30, that it *is* an undisputed fact, and 
way too many of the ones older than that.

When a presenter can't even have a couple of drinks at the hotel bar, 
after speaking, and gets followed into the elevator, and propositioned 
by some idiot that won't take no for an answer, but thankfully didn't go 
farther than that, and a) the convention showed near disbelief, and a 
lack of intent to do anything about it, and b) it got tagged "elevator 
gate" by a stupid number of people.. its kind of obvious there is a 
bigger problem, and maybe how she was dressing, or where she was, or how 
many beers she had, etc... wasn't the issue. There are whole "women 
only" conferences that have cropped up due to this BS, in the last 2-3 
years, because the real ones went, "Well, I am sure there is a slight 
problem, but.. we just can't quite see it right now, and don't see any 
point in making people 'uncomfortable' by adding unnecessary rules, or 
taking reports seriously." Extrapolate from that sort of harrassment in 
supposed "professional" situations, and the cases where sexual assaults 
have even happened, not just verbal, or being propositioned, to the rest 
of the world, which **isn't** professional.. and, the picture starts 
looking damned ugly.

Some places a women "could" walk down the street, naked, and not be 
harassed (well not much more than just walking down the street, which 
isn't exact right either, really), but, here in the US, you can't even 
be a speaker at a convention, trying to get back to your room, without 
worrying about some ass assaulting you, when female. And.. forget "not 
going alone to your room", at least one of the full on rapes that I have 
read about was "by" the supposed escort, who promised to keep them from 
being attacked by some other person.

One of them called the whole mess, "Schrodinger's Rapist", its 
impossible to know which, if any, man might do it, until it either 
happens, or doesn't happen. Its that bad, sometimes, and.. what do they 
get, "Don't go alone, dress the wrong way, drink, have a social life, or 
do anything that might let the cat out of the box." Everyone, for some 
reason, always thinks they have "never" heard any of that advice, or 
thought about the absurd lengths you would have to go to follow it, and 
have it actually work, given the mental state, the privilege, and the 
sense of entitlement that always seems, on some level to exist in the 
heads of the people that do this sort thing. None of which is, since 
even the sane guys often joke about it, visible on the surface.

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