On 01/02/2014 07:29 AM, Doctor John wrote:
> On 02/01/2014 11:51, Stephen wrote:
>> On 02/01/2014 11:06 AM, Warp wrote:
>>> It's not the individual actions, or their frequency, that give a vibe
>>> of a police-state-like system, it's the fact that they mostly can do
>>> it with impunity. Most of the abuses go unpunished, either because
>>> the authorities are unwilling to investigate or, in the worst case,
>>> because nothing illegal was actually done.
>>
>> I think that you go a bit too far saying that America is a Police State.
>> You say that it has a high level of abuse and corruption. But that
>> doesn't make it a Police State.
>> Lots of 4 am knocks on doors, makes for a Police State.
>> As for surveillance, Britain probably has the most in Europe and I don't
>> hear us being called one, often.
>>
>
> This thread is beginning to bring Pink Floyd's 'Gunner's Dream' to mind:
>
> ... where you can speak out loud about your doubts and fears
> and, what's more, no-one ever disappears, you never hear their standard
> issue kicking in your door. You can relax on both sides of the tracks
> and maniacs don't blow holes in bandsmen by remote control and everyone
> has recourse to the law and no-one kills the children anymore.
>
> John

OK ... good one, I quit /really/ reading this thread awhile ago (except 
nuggets like these) ... It really ceased being about the original topic 
a long time ago and more like a pissing contest about differing opinions 
... lol yeah I said that!

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