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On Mon, 30 Dec 2013 23:12:05 +0100, clipka wrote:
> Am 30.12.2013 20:58, schrieb Warp:
>> Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospam com> wrote:
>>> I will, however, grant that as a white male in the US, I am not
>>> subject to "stop and frisk," being asked to provide documentation of
>>> citizenship,
>>> etc.
>>
>> OTOH, you *are* subject to the countrywide surveillance by the NSA of a
>> scale that even the former Stasi would have been jealous of...
>
> No, certainly not. They'd be jealous of the technology, but as for scale
> the Stasi surveillance is probably still unsurpassed. After all, they
> had a significant percentage of the entire population as information
> sources.
>
> Oh, and from what I've heard the NSA is far more active outside the USA
> than inside.
What's more, the Stasi actually were locking people up for what they say
and think. We're not at that point in the US. Yet. I am something of
an idealist in this regard as well, and think that should the abuses
actually lead to jailing political opponents, the populace would react
quite strongly.
So right now, we're at the point of comparing the NSA to the Stasi, and
that's kinda like saying Christians are actually persecuted in the US.
No Christian in the US (that I've heard of) has actually experienced
*real* persecution within the borders of this country.
The Stasi - now there's an organisation that was involved in systematic
persecution of religious (and other) minorities.
That's the sort of hyperbole I expect from members of the fringes of the
Tea Party. Not someone who lives in a country that actually experienced
the effects of persecution firsthand. Then again, Finnish Jews were
reportedly not persecuted, since Finland fought with Germany against the
USSR, as I understand it.
Jim
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