On 8/29/2013 6:50 AM, Francois Labreque wrote:

>> On 8/27/2013 6:45 AM, Francois Labreque wrote:

>>>>> Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with a simplified UI
>>>>> existing. If
>>>>> there's a product specifically for people who just want to surf the
>>>>> Internet and send a few emails, then that's great! What I object to is
>>>>> *me* being forced to use that same product.
>>>>
>>>> You do realise if you get the "desktop" version of Win8 you get the
>>>> standard Win7-like desktop too? It's only the "RT" version for low
>>>> powered mobile devices that consists solely of the new GUI.
>>>>
>>> Until 8.1 comes along and restores the "Start" button, you still have to
>>> switch to the Lego-block screen to start new apps, unless you have a
>>> shortcut on your desktop, which encourages clutter and everyone knows
>>> that Windows boot time (and refreshes when you quit a full screen app,
>>> such as a game) is proportional to the number of icons on your desktop.
>>>
>> Umm. Actually, no. I have it on my laptop, and maybe "apps" have that
>> problem, but regular applications do have a "desktop" and the normal
>> "start menu".
>
> Huh?  Maybe I just didn't get enough coffee, but I'm having problems
> understanding what you're trying to say here...
>
> The Start menu is not per application. It's a basic component of
> Explorer.  And in Windows 8, they removed it.  If you move your mouse to
> the lower left corner of the screen, you switch back to the welcome screen.
>
> And it's causing so much uproar that they anounced that they would be
> bringing it back for 8.1.
>
> This has nothing to do with apps or applications.
>
No they didn't. When you go into "desktop mode", it is still there. I 
should bloody well know, I own a laptop with that OS on it. The problem 
is, it "starts up in" the silly app mode, and any time you do certain 
things that case an "app" to run, or move the mouse into certain areas, 
etc., you run the risk of having the damn thing go back into the default 
mode. All they seem to be doing with "adding back in the start menu", on 
the PC/laptop versions is making it so the start menu is enabled all the 
time, even when its in the initial starting mode, where it is normally 
hidden.

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