Am 11.08.2013 23:27, schrieb Warp:
> clipka <ano### [at] anonymousorg> wrote:
>>> If you could go back in time, and had the power, would you have stopped
>>> those semi-forced vaccinations from taking place, risking smallpox not
>>> being completely eradicated, with the subsequent deaths up to this day?
>
>> Yes, I might have done that. I might have taken that risk; note that a
>> risk is something that may or may not happen.
>
> So, how many lives would you consider an acceptable loss in the name of
> respecting people's freedom of choice? How many deaths would be necessary
> before you would change your opinion and accept forced vaccinations?
> A hundred? A thousand? A million? How many would you sacrifice?
>
> Do you understand why I find this whole conversation so nauseating?

The same question could be asked about the inherent risks of a 
vaccination campaign: How much people are you willing to kill with 
faulty vaccines, allergic reactions, or other complications, in order to 
eradicate polio? How many lives are you hoping to save in addition to 
those that a voluntary vaccination campaign would save?

I know that this entire issue is morally problematic, whichever way you 
turn it. But you seem to be perfectly free of moral worries when it 
comes to trading people's lives for other people's lives based on 
numbers alone, and that is something that /I/ find nauseating. That is 
/exactly/ the soil that was prevalent throughout Europe in the first 
half the 20th century, on which the German idea of Rassenhygiene had 
grown so well.


>>> People here are comparing forced vaccination programs to totalitarianism
>>> and eugenics. However, a better comparison would be mandatory elementary
>>> education.
>
>> No. Education doesn't normally put your health at any risk.
>
> I don't even understand how you can completely reverse the notion of
> saving the lives of millions of people into the notion of putting lives
> at risk. That's completely backwards.

No, not really. You claim that both education and vaccination carry a 
potential benefit; I don't debate that. But I assert that in the case of 
vaccination it is partially offset by an inherent health /risk/ as well, 
while education is virtually free of health risks, so the two make for a 
poor analogy.


As another example of just how complex health issues can be, why don't 
we fight AIDS by forcing everybody in the whole wide world to be tested 
for HIV, and have all the HIV-positive people undergo treatment against 
the virus?

It turns out that if you did this, more healthy people would die from 
the complications of a treatment they would receive due to a 
false-positive test result, than you'd have ill people to save by the 
treatment in the first place.

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