On 5/11/2012 10:32 AM, Warp wrote:
>    I'd say that there are three levels of a country not recognizing gay
> marriage, from loosest to strictest:
>
> 1) The law simply doesn't recognize gay marriage as legal. (In other words
>     gay marriage simply doesn't exist as a legal institution.)
>
> 2) Gay marriage is actually banned and explicitly illegal.
>
> 3) Gay marriage is banned at the consitutional level. In other words,
>     not just the law, but the constitution itself declares it as illegal.
>
>    The last one is the strongest form of ban, as it makes it the most
> protected ban that there can be. It's also a travesty. It's one thing
> that a country's law just doesn't recognize gay marriage, and a completely
> different thing for it to be illegal at the constitutional level. Using
> the constitution to explicitly limit people's freedom like this is an
> affront to what constitutionalism is all about. This is not what a
> constitution is for. It doesn't matter what your opinion on gay marriage
> may be, that doesn't change anything.
>
>    So guess how many state constitutions in the United States explicitly
> ban gay marriage? Just take a guess.
>
>    Answer here:
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/north-carolina-voters-banned-gay-marriage-civil-unions-011158194.html
>

Some of this is depressing. However, one needs to realize that its right 
wing legislators getting most of this passed, that if it does get voted 
on, they lie to make it happen, and that the majority of people don't 
believe in what the actual law ends up saying, when they finally realize 
they have been lied to. The result of this whole bloody mess is that the 
morons doing it are digging their own graves, its only a matter of time 
until this happens, not to mention that they not only don't *get* the 
idea that they should drop the shovel, they have decided to double down 
and buy bigger shovels.

They are also finding out the terrifying fact, which they still hope 
isn't actually true, that when people can find out the truth, it doesn't 
matter how many lies you can buy. If anything, the more you buy, the 
less you are believed by the non-gullible that you already duped. Which 
is strange, its almost the exact thing they "claim" everyone from AGW 
proponents, to evolutionist are doing to conspire against the "truth". 
You know.. spending vast amounts of money, including tax money, to 
promote pure bullshit. You would think using the very tactic you have 
spent your entire career whining that everyone else is doing wouldn't... 
I don't know, make people wonder about your own honesty, when you start 
doing the exact same thing you accused them of?

Then again, logic to these people is a bit like air is to someone on the 
bottom of the ocean... lol

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