Orchid Win7 v1 escreveu:
> On 13/03/2012 19:27, nemesis wrote:
>> ah, children from the 90's...
> 
> I wish. :-P

ok, old fart.

> Seriously. Visual Studio manages to be responsive enough, and not eat 
> half my RAM. NetBeans can't. IMHO, that makes NetBeans inferior.

Windows comes with the .NET libraries used by VS.  It's also a native 
program, rather than one running on a VM.

>> Here's a challenge for you. What do these haskell snippets are supposed
>> to do?
>>
>> snippet 1:
>>
>> ((.)$(.))
> 
> ASCII art? ;-)

actually, I thought it was some perl idiom. :)

if it was a bit more concise, it'd give you a nice pair of boobies:
(.)(.)

> In fact, the "$" is necessary. Either way, this takes a 3-argument 
> function, the first argument to the function, a function that transforms 
> some type into the type of the second argument, and a suitable argument 
> to transform. Or, in symbols,
> 
> (x -> y -> z) -> x -> (j -> y) -> y -> z

haha, you already new that from the haskellwiki. :p

>> snippet 2:
>>
>> f >>= a . b . c =<< g
> 
> Without knowing what the variables are bound to, this cannot be 
> answered. It would be like saying "what does Foo(Bar(5)) do?"

ok, both come from here:

http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Pointfree#The_owl
http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Pointfree#Squish

>> and for a bonus, guess what this one does:
>>
>> import System.Environment
>>
>> foo n = 0 % (0 # (1,0,1)) where
>> i%ds
>> | i >= n = []
>> | True = (concat h ++ "\t:" ++ show j ++ "\n") ++ j%t
>> where k = i+10; j = min n k
>> (h,t) | k > n = (take (n`mod`10) ds ++ replicate (k-n) " ",[])
>> | True = splitAt 10 ds
>> j # s | n>a || r+n>=d = k # t
>> | True = show q : k # (n*10,(a-(q*d))*10,d)
>> where k = j+1; t@(n,a,d)=k&s; (q,r)=(n*3+a)`divMod`d
>> j&(n,a,d) = (n*j,(a+n*2)*y,d*y) where y=(j*2+1)
>>
>> main = putStr.foo.read.head =<< getArgs
> 
> That's not even parsable. (Indentation is significant, remember?)

ah, seems indentation is lost (too bad for haskell).  But nice style on 
giving up.

>>> Yes, Java /still/ sucks. :-P
>>
>> Yes and that is a feature by design.
> 
> O RLY?

Yes, so that your hired slaves can't cut the pulses and get free.

>> What doesn't suck is the JVM and the tens of thousands of useful libs
>> that run atop it. It's the only truly cross-platform performant VM out
>> there. Think about it, libs you don't actually need to recompile on your
>> machine.
> 
> Ha! If only... They don't say "write once, test everywhere" for nothing. 
> ;-)

seems like most of the thousands of open-source java libs are well 
tested already.

> I hear there are other languages that target the JVM. Presumably you 
> still can't use any of the existing libraries though. (Not that any of 
> them are much good.)

yes, you are likely to use java libs.

> Oh, Haskell? Yeah, I gather a few people have tried to target the JVM 
> with it. Nothing production-grade currently exists, however.
> 
>> BTW, Ant is yet another example of XML-madness: it's basically a verbose
>> XML makefile for java.
> 
> Oh well. At least you don't need tab characters. :-P

says the haskell programmer... :p

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