On 1/10/2012 3:59 AM, Le_Forgeron wrote:
>  From where did he came, nothing is sure. Only the last 3 years of his
> life were dedicated to propaganda and sedition. It is also well-known
> that he frequented a whore (Marie Madeleine)... put that on the prudish
> and puritan Church. Coherency and consistency never make it inside dogma.
>
Actually, the whore thing is in dispute. As I said in another post, Mary 
was such a common name at the time that it was used as a derogatory 
statement when encountering Jewish women. If you go back to some of the 
earliest translations, its fairly clear that there where in fact at 
least "two" such Marys, one of them a follower, and the other some 
random street whore, who decided to wash his feet. Even the chronology 
makes no sense, if taken into account, with her being, seemingly 
"unknown", wandering in off the street, and becoming so impressed she 
had to wash his feet, **after** earlier parts of the same text, where 
she is already mentioned as traveling with him (this makes no logical 
sense, unless you get a later "edited" version, like the KJV, which 
attempts, badly, to "fix" these little errors).

The "Whore and follower, both" bit was created much later, as a means of 
showing, even as they ignored it themselves, how much "purer" he was 
than the rest of us (and, at least initially, to show how we needed to 
be nice, even to bad people). By the time the puritans came along, it 
was common to confuse them as the same person. The puritans themselves 
are notable for taking the already distorted meaning of, "taking the 
lords name in vein", and making it into cursing and using words that 
involved bodily functions. The original meaning, BTW, was the use of 
imprecatory prayer, to ask god to give them things, or curse others. 
Hardly a surprise that "modern" Christians use prayer for almost bloody 
nothing else. lol

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