On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 17:01:39 +0000, Orchid XP v8 wrote:

> On 23/12/2011 04:12 PM, Warp wrote:
>> Orchid XP v8<voi### [at] devnull>  wrote:
>>> Yesterday, I burned my copy of Darwin's Black Box. Just so you know.
>>
>>> I guess I could have just thrown it away. But I was worried that
>>> somebody might, you know, read it...
> 
>>    The creationist way of thinking seems to be: "Hah. These two
>>    examples
>> clearly show that the theory of objects falling down is bollocks.
>> That's enough for me."
> 
> "Quod enim mavult homo versus esse id porteous credit."
> 
> For what a man wishes to be true, that he more readily believes.
> 
> Nobody is lobbying Congress to say that the second law of thermodynamics
> is wrong. (And there are actual, valid scientific difficulties with that
> one.) Nobody is calling for Maxwell's equations to be taken out of the
> school curriculum because "a growing [but unamed] body of scientists
> doubt the validity of it". Einstein's theories of relavitivy claim that
> all sorts of mind-bending things are supposed to be possible, yet nobody
> objects.
> 
> And yet, the second you say that The Holy Bible is wrong... suddenly
> this crap happens.
> 
> It's not that these people misunderstand science or aren't good at
> logical reasoning. It's that they don't *care* about science - they just
> desperately want everyone to believe in the Bible. Scientists start from
> the facts, apply logic and end up with a conclusion. These people dearly
> want a particular conclusion, and will invent any spurious chain of
> logic which leads to the desired conclusion.
> 
> Rational debate is futile. These people do not care about being
> rational. They only care about making everybody believe their story.
> Because it doesn't really /matter/ what the truth is, so long as they
> can go along happy in the knowledge that they were right, and everyone
> believes them.
> 
> Rational debate may, however, work on innocent people who have
> mistakenly fallen for this BS...

Last night we watched the 2009 "Nine Lessons and Carols for Godless 
People" - very good.  I particularly liked the bit where Robin Ince was 
talking about how, if you reject the Theory of Evolution, you really are 
rejecting the scientific method, and as such, shouldn't really be 
'believing' in anything like medicine because those use the same method 
to be validated.

"Oh, you don't feel well?  Too bad you don't believe in the scientific 
method as a valid way of approaching the world - medicine probably would 
be useful, but since you reject the scientific method, you can't have 
medicine.  I'll go find an old witch doctor to wave a twig over your head 
- I hear that works in some cases!"

:)

Jim

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