On 11/29/2011 10:48 AM, Stephen wrote:
> On 29/11/2011 5:08 PM, Darren New wrote:
>> Machine guns are indeed highly regulated here.
>
> That sentence speaks volumes. ;-)
>
No, the fact that it can't be "auto", but can be "semi-auto", and thus 
fire only 1/4 as many rounds in the same time, or something, is what 
speaks volumes. The presumption is always that a) bad guys are never 
going to find ways around it, b) they will never get their hands on 
bigger clips, and c) 10 dead people isn't as bad as 30, or something... 
In any case, the biggest bloody problems is that **time and time again** 
its been shown that someone can walk into a private auction, or a gun 
show, and *despite* regulations, pick up stuff, right there, when they 
have a record of already using them to shoot people. Why? Because 
special interest groups have "successfully" lobbied against blanket 
requirements, that would deny someone the right to go to one of these 
things, and walk out *with it*, having not gone through any of the 
paperwork, checks, etc., that they would at a gun shop.

Highly regulated doesn't mean shit, if the regulations are not in force, 
in some/all cases. They mean nothing, if there is a way to circumvent 
them, which, short of remaking the gun so it can't even be modded back 
into something more dangerous, isn't going to happen. Since such weapons 
are a) supposed to be destroyed, b) not supposed to be available to the 
public in the first place, and c) not "special made" in a civilian form, 
uh... maybe there is also some sort of problem with the very fact that 
people somehow end up with them *at all* in the first place?

Gun laws in the US are a damn mess, with so many loopholes that it is 
absurd. And, most of those exist because a privileged few care more 
about the "inconvenience" that they would suffer, if they worked, than 
the wrong people ending up with them in the first place. Stupidly, its 
often the same morons that want "more" freedom to buy what ever they 
damn please, who want, at the same time, "more, longer, and stricter 
punishments, for first, second, etc. offenders, in nearly all crimes", 
with the seeming exception of circumvention of gun laws. You are more 
likely to see some idiot get 3 years in jail for spitting on the 
sidewalk in the future, than a drug dealer being denied a gun at a gun 
exhibition, due to someone bothering to do an adequate check. They might 
even sell it too them anyway, after they failed the check, then quote 
some "private sale" loophole, or something, to justify it.

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