On 10/17/2011 7:03 AM, Mike Raiford wrote:
> On 10/15/2011 10:13 AM, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>
>> What I /have/ noticed about the USA is that they tend to assert that
>> their way of life is the only /correct/ one. Like, the way they live is
>> the best way, and the rest of the world just hasn't learned how to be as
>> awesome as them yet. Whereas in Europe, each country has roughly similar
>> laws and so forth, but there are several areas of fairly drastic
>> difference. And then there's culture and so forth. And overall, nobody
>> seems to be sitting there saying "we're the best in Europe, and we pitty
>> all those other countries who haven't learned how to be like us yet".
>
> Yep. There are definitely people who think that way. If a new concept
> comes around, and we haven't done that in the past, and it involves
> making life better for people, it immediately gets called Socialism
> and/or Communism. The ones you see are the most vocal, often those most
> vocal are also the most insane.
>
> Of course, I take issue with the healthcare bill we passed as it stands,
> now. Essentially, it's written so that everyone *must* get health
> insurance, or be fined. It seems to benefit the insurance companies more
> than it does the people.
>
> As if GB has never said that they are superior? ;)
>
Since the original intent had been to set up a separate system to get 
it, so there was competition, but without that.. Still, the principle 
idea of making it so *everyone* has to buy into some isn't to help the 
insurance companies, so much as it is to stop the government having to 
pay out money to help people that didn't buy any, and maybe get them to 
see a doctor "before" it costs 50 times as much to treat them. But, 
yeah, so long as the insurance industry is the "only" source, and they 
can all sit around, together, at a table and decide how to screw 
everyone the next year, it only fixes half the problem.

Its telling though that the other side doesn't even think we need to fix 
*any* problem, except to maybe just not use government money at all, 
ever, for anyone, while still letting the insurance industry run rampant 
over the populous.

Recent law they are trying to pass - Protection for Catholic hospitals, 
which are sadly a large percentage of them, to not merely deny help to 
women on the verge of death, due to pregnancy complications, but to also 
"deny them the right to be transferred to some place where they can be 
treated". The theory being that, somehow, those women are, I don't know 
what the fuck, maybe bribing the Catholic doctors to "fake" illness, or 
causing it themselves, in some proxy to get shipped to another hospital, 
to receive abortions? I mean WTF? But, apparently, this is *way* more 
important than taking jobs seriously, or creating legislation about 
*anything* other than bullshit like this.

>> Also: The USA is huge. I can't help feeling that somewhere within it,
>> there must be some intelligent people. And those people must feel really
>> embarrassed that they live in the same country as the morons who make
>> America look so bad to the rest of the world with depressing frequency...
>
> I've become numb to it. It doesn't faze me anymore, really. I just let
> them demonstrate beyond all doubt their ignorance ;)
>
Unfortunately, one of the things such nutcases count on is the rest of 
us becoming "numb to it" and not bloody doing a damn thing about it. 
Scares the shit out of them when people do silly things like you know, 
vote, or march. That being why they are trying damn hard, where ever 
they can, to make both as hard as bloody possible for those of us that 
might actually have gotten, finally, pissed off enough to do either.

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