On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 18:58:24 -0700, Darren New wrote:

> On 10/8/2011 14:44, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> Windows Server 2000 as a domain controller.  If you lose your
>> administrator password, you're hosed.  You're reinstalling.
> 
> Um, that's a good thing, you know. You're not supposed to recover from
> that.
> 
> My laptop has an encrypted drive. If I forget my password, I can't get
> to it. That's not a flaw, that's a design goal.

One that Microsoft reversed in Server 2003, IIRC.

>> Half the Windows machines wouldn't boot.  All the *nix and NetWare
>> machines (and AS/400s et al) booted more or less without any issue at
>> all.
> 
> Never had that problem, myself.
> 
> On the other hand, I have had the power go out without warning 20
> minutes into a 30-minute compile on a mainframe. When the power came
> back, the compile finished in 10 minutes. Something you won't see Linux
> *or* Windows doing.

Well, I think you probably would - some of the compiled code would 
already be in object form, and the compiler wouldn't have to compile it 
again.

>> It's an inconvenience.  An annoyance.
> 
> No it's not. Why would it be?

I already explained why.

>> Something that's far too often
>> required on Windows.
> 
> Not any more, really. I can't remember the last time an upgrade asked me
> to reboot.

Last time I applied a service pack to Windows 7, it required a reboot.

>> Sorry, *that's* not troubleshooting.  That's problem avoidance.
> 
> True. But it isn't a whole let better on Linux, unless you're a
> developer. On Windows, the problem gets automatically reported back to
> the developer anyway, if you set it up that way. :-)

Same thing happens on some Linux distributions - GNOME's bug-buddy will 
report things back to the developer if it's set up properly.

I think (but as I don't use it, I don't know) KDE does as well.

The thing is that on Linux, if you have a problem and report it, there's 
a far better chance it'll be fixed quickly.

>> Relatively recent being "in the last 10 years or so".  That's about 2-3
>> technological generations.
> 
> Sure. Just saying, it was other systems making it easier that drove
> Linux to doing this, methinks.

I'd agree with that.

>> I might as well name Windows faults based on experiences exclusively
>> with Windows 3.1.
> 
> I'm not describing faults. I'm describing "catching up with other more
> popular systems."

It's good to see Windows catching up with Linux, isn't it?  Some of the 
features in Win8 have been available in Linux for years. ;)

>>> Is it included standard in Linux? ;-)
>>
>> No, but at least one of the tools is a free tool to download and use.
> 
> Methinks you missed my joke. Earlier you were talking about dev tools on
> Windows not counting because they had to be downloaded.

Management tools are a bit different than dev tools. ;)

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