On 4/25/2011 14:13, Jim Henderson wrote:
> But if I were to describe the change in state, it would be "I no longer
> need to believe that the sun is up - I know it is."

So if evidence obviates belief, and evidence obviates faith, what is the 
difference between the two?

> IOW, it's not that finding out causes disbelief, it removes the need for
> belief because it's demonstrably true.

We're just using the words differently. Knowledge is justified true belief. 
It can be demonstratively true yet not believed (a creationist and 
evolution) and it can be demonstratively true and believed (a scientist and 
evolution).

-- 
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   "Coding without comments is like
    driving without turn signals."

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