On 4/22/2011 3:22 PM, Darren New wrote:
> On 4/22/2011 15:03, Patrick Elliott wrote:
>> Its the only conceivable condition where you can spend your time
>> looking for
>> the genetic equivalent of Bigfoot, and actually find something that
>> isn't a
>> man in a gorilla suit.
>
> Except, in that case, it *is* precisely a man in a gorilla suit. Humans
> tinkering with DNA are no more unnatural than beavers building dams. The
> only way you'd actually be justified in teaching that anything
> discovered by evolution is in doubt is if there was a *supernatural*
> source. Aliens visiting and modifying the DNA doesn't mean the DNA
> didn't evolve. Not even large black rectangular aliens.
>
True enough. Which is why the hard core ID people have pretty much 
dropped the, "It could have been aliens.", thing. Well, except when 
badly backed into a corner, where most will either admit they mean god, 
but hedge that it, "might have been something else", without saying 
what, or just can't come up with anything else any more, even to hedge 
and hand wave the question away.

The game is pretty much up, except among people that haven't been paying 
real attention, much like how there where still morons siding with SCO, 
right up until the dead end, because they couldn't grasp how lost the 
cause was, and how fact free, and unsupportable, their claims where.

Odds are, in ten years, a majority of people with accept that ID was 
creationism all along, and nearly everyone, if they even remember, will 
understand that SCO didn't have a case to start with, but there will 
*still* be idiots defending the idea that *both* might have turned out 
differently. lol

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