On 21-4-2011 4:37, Darren New wrote:
> On 4/20/2011 15:26, andrel wrote:
>> That there are proteins (etc.) that didn't evolve by natural selection.
>
> OK. Let's grant that that is the actual hypothesis.
>
>> even weaker that their presence is easier explained by design than as a
>> result of natural selection. (hijacking Occam's razor).
>
> Designed by whom? An naturally-evolved creature? Who then selected that
> protein unnaturally? As soon as you say "naturally-evolved aliens might
> be the intelligence" then you've broken your hypothesis.
>
> Seedless grapes and bananas were evolved by natural selection. It
> happened to be humans doing the selecting, but it was natural selection
> and evolution.
>
> So again, even if you find a protein that you think could not have
> evolved naturally, then you have to prove that nobody who is naturally
> evolved created it.
>
indeed

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