On 18-4-2011 10:21, Invisible wrote:
>>> You've got to admit, when you read about stuff like people believing
>>> that ID is real science, it does make you wonder what kind of people
>>> live there.
>>
>> If you take ID to be the idea that some protein(complexe)s can not have
>> been evolved from earlier proteins, then that is a testable hypothesis.
>> Stating and researching that idea was real science.
>
> So there's a theory, the theory has been repeatedly proven wrong,

no it hasn't. All *cases* that have been put forward that should have 
shown support have in fact turned out to be in support of evolution. 
That does not prove there are none. For that to prove you need to 
examine all proteins that exist anywhere in nature.

> there's no particular reason to believe that it might be right in some
> unknown case,

You only say that because you 'believe' the theory and not the hypothesis.

> and yet people continue to assert the truth of this theory
> as *fact*? Doesn't sound very rational to me...

That is entirely a different matter. These people need not be the same 
as the ones that do the real research.

>> BTW would dissecting the cases brought forward by Behe at al. count as
>> spending time on ID? Because that would be an ideal way to teach
>> students how real science works.
>
> I commend the idea.
>
> Right along side showing how String Theory, despite looking far more
> professional than ID, is also not [yet] science.

I also disagree on that. String theory is pure maths. I tend to think 
that maths is a science.
I would agree that string theory is not physics yet.

> (And examining why it
> has the potential to /become/ science in a way that ID does not.)

Remember that in the unlikely case they do find an example of something 
that cannot have been evolved in an autonomous way, ID becomes science. 
We might think that it is just as unlikely as someone handing over the 
telephone number of God, but it might just happen.

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