"Tom Galvin" <tom### [at] impnospamorg> wrote in message
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> Michael Raiford wrote:
> >
> > I completely dissagree with you. I have to side with Thorsten on this
> > particular issue. He was a complete troll. And -- yeah, I tossed a few
> > bread crumbs his way, so I'm just as guilty.
> >
> > I don't think there was a well meaning bone in his body when he made the
> > post. Its apparently either a whining session or a post with malace.
>
> I read all his posts.  Inculding the multiple ones where he apologized
> for misunderstandings.  Stated clearly that he was not demanding
> anything, rather making suggestions for improvement(however misguided in
> tone or content), and acknowledged misunderstandings over terminology
> usage.
>
> There was a similar dust-up several months ago over Open-GL and Scanline
> rendering with a lot of initial resisitance, and a few rude remarks.
>
>
http://news.povray.org/povray.general/thread/%3C3eda5cd8$1@news.povray.org%3E/
>
> That poster a few weeks later released a OpenGL wireframe preview patch
>
> http://www.daylongraphics.com/other/povray/patches/index.htm
>
> >
> > The problem is not that he was innocently making a wrong assertion in
> > attempting to do something, but completely bashing a tool we all enjoy
> > using.
> >
>
> Paris did not use profanity, or deride the povray authors ancestry.  His
> critiques were specific, and he used the commercial packages as
> references for feature comparisons.  IMHO, this newsgroup could use a
> little more tolerance to alternate viewpoints and newcomers.
>
> If you read his website you would see that he is actually a fan of
POV-Ray.
>
> http://paris1839.tripod.com/computers/computiary.html
>
>
> >> BDW was a troll.
> >
> >
> > I wish I had known him when he was posting before he was killbanned. Ohh
> > well.
>
> He left of his own accord.

I agree with Tom completely.

*My* personal opinion is that Thorsten isn't taking the best approach with
the attitude of his response and the action he took in removing the post.  I
think the attitude being displayed is completely unnecessary.  Trying to
belittle and call into question the mental capacity of people who are only
trying to make positive suggestions, instigate discussion on rendering
techniques or implement interesting patches, is very poor behaviour.  If
someone is perceived as being a troll, there is always the option to ignore
them - simply attacking the person personally is as bad, if not worse, than
trolling.  If posts are going to be removed, then critical responses should
also be removed - in my opinion.

The attitudes of some people here greatly disappoint me, especially for a
group of people of such high intellect.

Insulting responses do damage to the great effort that POV-Ray is, and the
tireless work and respect of the other POV Team members, TAG, other patch
developers and end users who provide user-to-user support here, who many not
want to be painted with the brush of elitism that's being brandished.

I sincerely hope that Thorsten's remarks, despite him using the POV Team
after his name, are taken as his personal remarks alone and not taken as
representing the attitude or opinions of the entire POV Team.  I know some
of the POV Team members personally, and I know that they would not want to
be portrayed in this way.

In all the time I've been reading and participating on this server over the
last 6 years, it has been very rare to find such degrading replies, and I
feel personally *embarrassed* that the community is represented in this way.

Lance.

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