Warp wrote:
> 
> Remco de Korte <rem### [at] onwijscom> wrote:
> :>   Not true. MacOS was the first operating system which made computers
> :> accessible to the masses.
> 
> : Hm, I was also thinking about a Commodore, Spectrum or MSX (or similar).
> 
>   Commodore, Spectrum and MSX didn't have easy-to-use graphical user
> interfaces. MacOS does. I don't know about AmigaOS.

Accessability is not all about GUI.

> 
> :>   And even if we say that, we have to admit that Windows is a big step
> :> backwards in versatility and stability.
> 
> : Compared to what?
> 
>   To Unix, what else?

Oh, wow...

>   Windows is still incapable of making things that unix was able to do
> in the 70's. Not even Windows NT (although NT is a lot better in this matter).
> 
> :> It doesn't
> :> offer you any good tools for making anything advanced.
> 
> : Bwaahaa!
> 
>   Why do you laugh?
>   It doesn't even offer tools for simple things.
>   For example, suppose that I want to replace a string in every .txt file
> with another string.
>   In unix? One simple command. In Windows? I don't know how you can do it
> (without using external programs). Perhaps you can, but I don't know how.
> 

There are two things to consider:

every .txt file with another string. I also do other things with my system.

no builtin tools for a lot of tasks but the workd is crawling with applications
to do things you couldn't even dream of, not only for Windows (though they are
probably the most common) but for all sorts of OS.

> : Now that's a very important thing! Handling a guestbook in 10 lines!
> 
>   You are sticking to details.

Perhaps, but you're using those details as arguments.

>   The important part was not the 10 lines. The important part was that you
> can make it easily with a short code. You don't need specialized 3rd party
> tools nor 3rd party compilers for that. There are more than enough tools
> in unix itself to do this. That's the point.

Point taken.
> 
> : (but still get quite small programs)
> 
>   I wasn't talking about the size of the program. I was talking about how
> easy it is to do it with the tools offered by the OS.
>   Please understand what I'm talking about and don't stick to details.

That's what I referred to in the rest of my reply: you have several options,
from very easy to very hard. Want to make a database-application? Use Delphi,
everything is already there.

> 
> : This way you can do much more then handle a guestbook entry, with a program that
> : will perhaps have a couple of hundred lines of visible code (and thousands you
> : don't need to bother about) while you only have to do a few mouseclicks and
> : enter a handful parameters.
> 
>   But that's the whole point.
>   You need to make quite a lot of work to get a simple program.

No, you don't! All of the work has already been done. You just have to put the
piece together with a coupl eof simple movements.

 You need a
> 3rd party compiler and you have to make a several hundreds of lines long
> program for making something that is very simple and limited.
>   What if you want to modify the program afterwards? You'll have to go to
> the source code, modify it and recompile. Quite a lot of trouble.

It seems to me you don't know what you're talking about.
> 
> : (PS I've put the follow-up to off-topic so this'll be my last contribution in
> : this part of the thread)
> 
> povray.binaries.off-topic? Is that a new group I'm not aware of?

No, that was a mistake. I've tried it again this time. Why didn't you? Wanted to
nitpick on a detail perhaps?
> 
> --
> main(i,_){for(_?--i,main(i+2,"FhhQHFIJD|FQTITFN]zRFHhhTBFHhhTBFysdB"[i]
> ):_;i&&_>1;printf("%s",_-70?_&1?"[]":" ":(_=0,"\n")),_/=2);} /*- Warp -*/

Cheers?

Remco

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