> yeah there are kinda what I am looking for but I am really looking for a
> water or steam pipe but those will do nicely

Have you seen Giles Tran's pipe macros? They're in 


  http://www.mediaport.net/Artichaud/Tran/gtran.en.html

under sources.  Very nice stuff if what you want is water/stem pipes.

Geoff

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