Nicholas Hanson wrote:

> "Rick" <pov### [at] dialpipexcom> wrote in message
> news:387882fe@news.povray.org...
> > i am intreged by delphi, and a lot of people have said it kick VB ass, but
> > on the other hand, i dont have delphi, and as VB6 goes, so far its damn
> easy
> > to program, and as RAD is what i am after, VB works well for me..
>
> I find Delphi even easier to program than VB and it's a native code
> compiler.

AFAIK, VB 5 and up do compile to native code...

>
>
> > I can see a point where VB will become a pain in the arse, for example
> when
> > i end up using the win api all the time, but i am not doing that at the
> > moment, so far VB does everything i want, quickly, and with very little
> > effort.
>
> But by learning on it you are developing very nasty programming habits that
> will haunt you later if you choose to go deeper into programming. At the
> very least please get into the habit of using OPTION EXPLICIT instead of
> declaring everything as varient automatically. It really is a bad language
> to learn on.
>

I have to agree. You can learn it in a trimester at school(I know, I just took a
class in it), but its really a bad language to start learning. I prefer the
blood and guts approach of learning C/C++. They're much nicer language, and
after using them, and using VB, you'll desperately wish you had pointers in VB.

>
> > dont knock VB to much, it has it place,
>
> I'm not saying the language has no purpose, I use it myself. I don't develop
> applications for it however. I use VBScript in ASP pages, I use VBScript in
> WSH Scripts, and I use VBA for Office scripting and though I can use
> JavaScript for two of those I like to use a common scripting language. It is
> a great SCRIPTING LANGUAGE but for Application development and especially
> for learning programming it's a bad tool to use.
>

Its nice in that it takes six seconds to get something done that takes 100 lines
of code in C(ya, the code is cut and paste, but you know what I mean)

>
> > and as long as you dont try certain
> > things, or expect C++ or ASM performance it works fine, i grew up on C64
> > basic years ago, and VB is very similar, finding you can write win apps,
> > without actually having to really learn another language is a huge boon,
> and
> > as everything i write is for myself, never intended to be distributed, and
> > speed is just not a concern - as long as it gets the job done, and donst
> > give me any headaches in the process, its fine..
>
> But Delphi is just as easy to use, compiles faster code (I find it's better
> than even C++ -=USING MFC=-), and actually teaches you good programming habi
> ts since it's strongly typed and far more object oriented than VB. Just FYI
> if you don't know the language Delphi is based on is PASCAL so you may
> already know some of the basic syntax.
>

Pascal? Delphi? I've only vaugly heard of these. Anywhere with some good infor
on Delphi?

>
> > you should try it sometime :)
>
> I'm actually a MCP and I work for a company that is a MCSP so I'm VERY
> familiar with it. We have 6 copies of Visual Studio Enterprise and I still
> have Delphi installed because it's just superior. I would like to note that
> this is my personal opinion not those of the company I work for.
>
> > I have also used VC6, and while it has a greater kick of speed, greater
> > control, its incredably difficult compared to VB, and i dont have the time
> > to get my head around MFC propperly, so when my apps outgrow VB, i dont
> > think VC will be the answer, and when i get to that point, delphi may
> prove
> > to be perfect, untill then
>
> I agree with out completely. VC is a very powerful tool and I recommend it
> FOR EXPERIENCED PROGRAMMERS but it doesn't hold your hand at all and is VERY
> BAD to learn on. Delphi on the other hand has all capabilities and ease of
> use that Visual Basic does but is much more. Also it shares a common VCL and
> interface with Borland's C++ Builder (which is FAR easier to use than VC++)
> so it leads to a natural progression... I do think VC++ is better than C++
> Builder but it's far more difficult to use so for a new person I'd recommend
> this sequence:
>
> Delphi -> C++ Builder -> VC++
>

Ouch, sounds expensive...sounds REALLY expensive.

>
> > VB ROOLS (i have never had so much fun while i was working - *not strictly
> > true - but this is neither the time or the place to go into that!*)
>
> I bet you wouldn't say that after even a half hour with Delphi. It's ease of
> use and power are unmatched it just doesn't have they hype.
>
> For the record I think the Win32 version of Povray (well the interface
> anyway) was written in Delphi (or at least was at one point). As was
> HomeSite, Age of Wonders, etc.

Interesting. Pity Borland doesn't release free trial versions<G>...

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