Yeah the below works but this brought up another -er- feature of MORAY
when exporting to POLYRAY...

it DEFINES the referenced UDO object as:

name*_REF*

between the *'s is moray's added, however when it actually CALLS the
object (3 lines later) it drops the _Ref it added so get nothing- until
you go in and hand edit the little sucker.  I discovered this after
placing about three hundred 3d letters once that were included UDO's... 
I look back laugh now, but...

hehe, it's things like this that keep this hobby alive...

Dearmad wrote:
> 
> Charles wrote:
> >
> > Admittedly, it will be cool to see light_sources stay with any
> > group/CSG they're put with (would also be semi-cool to be able to
> > group cameras... why? consider a robot or spacecraft with cameras
> > physically attached to them so you can show scenes from their
> > perspective, or a mannekin with a camera in its head --- built
> > with IK and transform limits so you can pose it as a character in
> > your scene, then switch cameras to "see" things from its
> > perspective).
> >
> > But back to the topic at hand: until that revision, there is
> > a workaround if you've got a gotta-do-now type project. Three
> > observations:
> >
> > 1. Light_sources can be declared objects.
> > 2. UDO's can point to declared objects.
> > 3. UDO references stay put when you group or CSG with them
> 
> Yes, it does.  Just the solution I came up with after awhile too, and
> yes I'll second your positive findings as working!  Thank goodness!  So
> my animation is off and continiug...
> 
> >
> > Just did a quickie test... seems to work. A simple, basic UDO
> > to stand in for a light source is a fairly easily hand-made thing
> > and transforming the UDO transforms the light_source appropriately.
> > Might work for you in the here and now.
> >
> > (Sadly, there are limits on what you can do with a #declare'd
> > camera, so the same technique doesn't adapt to cameras, but it
> > may to work for what you're describing...)
> 
> Not that *I* care! :o)  the LIGHT problem is as good as solved- this
> sort of "workaround" is nothing compared to some of the mangly band-aids
> I've slapped together to keep things from falling apart as the "prject"
> goes marching on... :o)
> 


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