As a matter of fact, that did help. I guess getting good at POV isn't just
about reading the
manual a few times; it takes lots of practice. I assume being able to place
objects on the screen
with just script takes developed skill, but most of all patience. Here's a
question for the advanced
users: what other programs do you use? (to make bezier patches, advanced
shapes, etc..) And
another thing, how many of you true POVies are artists away from the computer?
Is that something
that really helps?

Ken wrote:

> Matt Morris wrote:
> >
> > I'm pretty much a beginner with POV and I'm just curious the most common
> > way to develop coordinates. I mean, it would seem that a modeler is very
> > useful for creating scenes and placing objects in certain places until
> > it looks right, however I have read that a modeler isn't the way to go.
> > (It doesn't seem like any of the IRTC winners use modelers) Other than a
> > modeler, how can one create a scene by just typing in code? Wouldn't you
> > need some sort of visual representation of what the hell you're doing?
> > Or maybe it's just me, and thats the attitude of all beginners.
> >
> > Matt Morris
>
> I'll try to answer this one but may fall short.
>
> Yes you will find the proverbial newbie scrambling to to find a
> modeler to get a visual representation. It's a natural byproduct
> of using paint and Cad programs I would imagine. There is a lot
> of merit in using a modeler in the beginning just to get a feel
> for how the coordinate system works. I personaly started using
> pov without a modeler and suffered as a result for quite a while.
> Now I am perfectly at home in this script driven environment and
> have no need for one. Others will start with a modeling program
> and slowly gravitate away from it when they realize there are
> features in pov that no modeler supports and are forced to work
> with text only. So you see there are advantages and disadvantages
> no matter which way you go. Moray is by far the most popular
> modeling program for Pov but I never liked it because it uses
> a reversed coordinate sytem that is not the default used by Pov.
>
> Opinion wise I suggest you use whatever method suits you and allows
> you to be as creative as you can be. If you follow my lead you will
> be a better artist than the modeler alone Pov user because you will
> understand the inner working of Pov to a greater extint than you can
> in a modeler only environment. This is not to say you can't achieve
> great results in a modeler only environment I just feel you will limit
> your possibilities.
>
> Any help ?
>
> --
> Ken Tyler
>
> tyl### [at] pacbellnet

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