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Once again, another Pov-ray op trying to defend the criminal activities of
Twyst. What everyone must realize is that the argument between Twyst and I
erupted out of the fact that I was trying to help a new user. Twyst made
that almost impossible with his incessant "script" tests.
Continue to support Twyst and his criminal activities, meanwhile I will
continue to tell people of the risk that they run to their property if they
associate with the #povray channels.
As for a lawsuit, i would enjoy the challenge, and due to the provable loss
that I had due to Twyst's actions, I intend to pursue any and all actions
against Twyst.
Now, everyone can be aware of what to expect from people such as you all.
Out,
Eric
Ron Parker <par### [at] my-dejanews com> wrote in article
<36123f0a.0@news.povray.org>...
> On 30 Sep 1998 03:57:17 -0500, Eric <eri### [at] geocities com> wrote:
> >In truth, no one ever talked about Pov-ray which was the whole reason i
had
> >gone there to begin with. So, the channel WAS being lame for never
> >discussing Pov.
>
> Um... yeah, the regulars don't discuss POV 24 hours a day, 7 days
> a week. That has to do with having discussed every part of it we
> care about. Considering we've been talking about it constantly for
> years now, you'd think we'd have no more to say, but we still talk
> about POV most of the time.
>
> Even when the current discussion is off-topic, if a new user comes by
> and wants to know what the channel is about, or what POV is about, or
> has a POV question, I've never seen anyone, including Twyst, not jump
> right up to answer the question in a helpful and supportive manner.
> Even when it's always the same question (where can I find some cool
> raytraced pictures) we never get tired of answering it, because we know
> we just got one more person hooked on POV.
>
> >I can't understand why an organization like Pov-ray would want to be
linked
> >to a criminal like Twyst. Perhaps they enjoy him trying to take the
> >spotlight away from the Pov organization and putting it on himself with
> >such antics as releasing the new Pov-ray release on HIS web page before
the
> >proper release date.
>
> Actually, my understanding is that official build had been released on
> Compuserve prior to both Twyst and McLilith (yes, Twyst wasn't the only
> one who prereleased the official build) putting it on their websites.
> I also understand that there was no language in the Compuserve release
> preventing further distribution. That being the case, they weren't
> violating any license agreements or doing anything else wrong by
> providing a place for the Internet community to download it. True,
> they obviously have more time for website maintenance than the POV-Team
> does, but maybe that's why the POV-Team is looking for help. Would you
> begrudge them the assistance of someone who has both the time and the
> motivation to keep povray.org up-to-date, just because you think he
> nuked you and may have incidentally caused your obviously already
unstable
> windows installation to self-destruct?
>
> >As of recently, i have once again been "allowed" back into the #povray
> >channels on Dalnet. After learning of the Internet Movie Project, I
began
> >working with another #povray channel regular named Restil on trying to
> >complete the first "test" run laid out by the scripting team. That
> >animation has been completed and has only to be encoded into a player,
now,
> >which is a huge step for Pov-ray and for the Internet Movie Project
team.
> >I am sure that more will be forth coming from Restil about this to the
IMP.
> >I am responsible only for the sun texture and the programming of the
lens
> >flare, using the lens flare include, produced by Chris Colefax. And in
> >some small part for making the topic an active one in the minds of
channel
> >regulars.
>
> Might I point out the the IMP has its own channel? As one of the #povray
> channel regulars, I can tell you that I got tired of people making that
> topic active in my mind long before you showed up. For those who didn't
> hear: #povray is not the IMP channel. IMP is off-topic in #povray.
>
> But you know what? The ops don't try to stop IMP or any other off-topic
> thing from being discussed in #povray. We'll let any discussion take
> place, because it's a community first and an informative channel second,
> and all work and no play makes #povray a dull place. And as ops, we know
> that the surest way to make people go find another channel is to enforce
> the rules to the point where nobody can breathe without being off-topic.
>
> >I'm sorry, but my temperament won't let me live with such provincial
> >attitudes as this, in a forum that should be free speech.
>
> Oh, come on now. IRC isn't about free speech. The only free speech
aspect
> of IRC is that ANYONE can op their own channel, and can do just about
> whatever they want in it. But the ops completely rule the channel. It's
> not OUR channel. It's the ops' channel, and they graciously let us use
> it. That's true of any channel, and if you've really been on IRC as long
> as you claim you have, you surely know that #povray is one of the
> best-behaved channels on IRC in that respect.
>
> >I have started a new channel on Dalnet, Undernet, Newnet and Efnet
called
> >#povray2. If you would like to REALLY discuss Pov-ray or problems you
are
> >having with it, or would like to REALLY get an Internet Movie Project
> >going, come, you will be welcome.
>
> Good luck. As for me, I think I'll stay on #povray. I like the people
> there and I know that we discuss POV all the time. I also know that no
> channel on IRC stays on topic all the time, unless the ops crack the
> whip. Maybe I'll stop by in a couple of months and see just how on-topic
> your channel is, if it still exists.
>
> There is another channel on IRC where you can talk to your heart's
> content about POV, the IMP, BMRT, Radiance, or any other rendering
> stuff. It's #render, and Twyst isn't an op there. I own the Newnet
> channel, Nite_Hawk owns the EFNet channel, and IR owns the DALnet
> channel. They're not currently linked by bots, as the bots that were
> linking them are now the backups for #povray, but they could be
> linked again if there was any interest. But despite lots of shameless
> publicity, there's never been anyone in any of those channels except
> the ops. I think that says something for how much people like #povray.
>
> Why was #render founded? Because Nite_Hawk and I thought the things
> we were discussing (Panorama, Radiance, BMRT) were off-topic for
> #povray, so we decided to get some of that traffic off the POV channel.
> Guess what - it didn't work. People wanted to discuss it in the POV
> channel. Let me say that again, because it's important: the ops in
> #povray tried to move some of the off-topic conversation out of the
> channel by providing a productive alternative, and IT DIDN'T WORK
> because the channel regulars didn't go along with it. Sounds like
> a real monarchy to me. Those ops must be gods.
>
> >As for me, i will have no more dealings with the #povray channels, or
> >twysted.net as long as they are run by criminals like Twyst.
>
> Restil owns the machine twysted.net resides on. He's also an op on
> #povray. Does that make him a criminal? Seems to me you just said
> it does. Will you have no more dealings with him?
>
> I'm an op on Newnet #povray, and the administrator of twysted.net's
> PatchStation. I'm not a criminal. Looks like you just said I am. I
> should bring suit against you for either slander or libel, whichever
> is appropriate for this forum. But then, I can get over it without
> making a big production, so I probably won't be calling my lawyer
> today.
>
>
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